the new and improved obama thread

It sounds more like you are bashing black people, speaking about them as if they were inferior beings who need pampering. Obviously, what ever Huckabee would be directly doing for all American people would be the same as doing something indirectly for "black people."Is underclass wage issues a uniquely "black issue?" Is education access a uniquely "black" issue? Is an urban development problem a uniquely "black" issue?Holy cow, why don't you just come out and say that black people are stupid, why don't you, who will only make it in society if you walk them through life?This sure is awfully condescending really...This is precisely the kind of counter-productive, liberal mindset that claims to be out for the greater interest of black people, all the while unwittingly offending them in the process. Sure, their heart is in the right place, but they totally keep the black man shackled to a plantation mentality.Does Huckabee need to cater specifically to a demographic, or is catering to a demographic ultimately devisive, by compartmentalizing people in to quaint little categories.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

A response to what? You said that Huckabee doesn't have a specific plan for blacks, and therefore, is obviously a racist. You then proceeded to categorically demean all black people without even realizing it. Rather than suppose a massive conspiracy oppression so pervasive that it would require almost everyone to be "in on it," why not realize that it is culturally driven, when that so obviously is the case? You know, I've read many books on the subject, from black scholars no less, that carefully outline the destructive liberal attitude, that while well-meaning, completely keeps a large number of blacks shackled to the very ghetto they aspire to escape from. Its a cultural problem. I don't know what he would specifically do. Then again, there are a lot of issues that I have no idea about what he would specifically do because I wasn't around at the time he spoke about it.Since this is an Obama thread, and you seem to think that handing black folk money will help them in the long term, perhaps you can outline Obama's goals for the black community. Yes, I know. I saw it while back home a few months ago. Of course, that goes in both directions. I am aware of the urban beautification plan, but they aren't "forcing" people out of their homes. They offer them a sum larger than what their home is worth. Its a legal transaction. Brenna, there is a misnomer that exists that if you just give people money, it will fix their problems. But the stark reality is that people of other colors coming from other cultures, living in the same conditions, do well in school. Its also been noted that blacks coming from places like Ghana, Jamaica, countries in Africa, etc, have done exceptionally well when moving to the States.So what does that mean? That means the problem is with culture, not race, not money, not poverty, not anything else, since culture is clearly driving these forces. Then explain why people in other countries living in similar or worse conditions excel? Explain how it is that Cubans, coming from nothing, ended up wildly successful in South Florida.Its not a racial issue. Its an issue of culture that drives these "norms" within a racial group.You saying they live in abject failure only reinforces the helplessness they are supposed to feel. That's crap. And that's condescending.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

Isn't that the obvious implication she sought? Huckabee has no plan for black people, therefore he must be a racist who doesn't care about black people. Yes, of course she meant to demean white people. Its the in-thing to do to blame the world's ills on the white plague of death. I'm specifically talking about she inadvertently demeans black people, tacitly suggesting that unless someone gives them a handout, they will be stuck in limbo. Clearly, yes, because its already happening in the UK and the US! I'd say its going swimmingly, if only there were those who would stop bringing it up and causing more dissension. Its funny how every man, woman, and child profiles from an early age by learning the psychology of others. For some odd reason that is not encouraged when it comes to law enforcement. Of course, it did say "racial" profiling. What I would be looking for is things like demeanor. A wise move on his part.

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Explain how it is that Cubans, coming from nothing, ended up wildly successful in South Florida.

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Actually its this really strange thing, foreign to many people now or days, called, "hard work."Of course a Socialist would say government aid. Considering the bulk of Cubans living in South Florida are the product of the Mariel Boat Lift, I see these figures as being totally erroneous. Because what we soon learn is that you can't throw money at a problem and expect it to fix itself.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

It was strongly implied. If Huckabee does something for all Americans, how do black people get cut out of the loop? What is residential segregation mean? We have! Doesn't seem to work. The problem is with Hollywood perpetuating this ignorant notion that anything other than thug life bling-bling means you are an Uncle Tom. I mean, come on, every truly funny black comedian talks about it. Why? Mmmmm, prolly cause its true.But I say someone need not be shackled to that stereotype. And indeed there are many black scholars and entertainers that want to break out of it. That's also the surest way to know that it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. What I have seen is some liberal accolytes claiming that this type of behavior as being authentic African heritage. LOL! Yeah right! Just like how Kwanza is authentic, I'm sure.Black Rednecks and White Liberals was one of the most insightful books on the subject that I've ever read. Sowell isn't alone there. Shelby Steele is equally brilliant.So when I hear people saying things specifically about black people, it gives the impression of devisiveness and an unwillingness to look beyond the races, rather than the cultural norms that masquerade as racial problems. It has nothing to do with race. I heard what you said. Forgive me if I have the ability to read behind the lines. I guess I'm just intuitive. Brenna, this is a fact. Even in predominantly black schools, there are still minorities of different races attending. You should note that none of them get more money than the other. So why is it that some Asian kid, in the same destitute situation, excels where their counterparts fail? It isn't intelligence. Its culture.Indians, living in abject squalor, statistically fair better than the richest of little suburbanite white kids. Why? Because their culture has not been corrupted by the slothful, indifferent American attitude that now pervades the country.Its all culture. If you want to fix problems, you can't expect money to solve it when no one has the intestinal fortitude to step up to a challenge. All it proves is a waste of money. Money is just the tool for resources, which there is nothing inherently wrong with, of course. But until someone utilizes that money for their own good, we're going to have a repeat of this sad situation. I'm sure you are going to have some people in real estate try and keep the darker folk out. I personally have never seen such a thing. What I notice is that people in that business want a person who is reliable, who isn't so ghetto that they devalue the entire block. But that has nothing to do with race, I'm betting. I'll bet it has everything to do with attitude. Every one of those things has a legal basis. What you are really advocating, by the sound of it, is a communist society where you indiscriminantly give to people who don't earn, and think that a bed of flowers will blossom out of it. How many failures will it take to prove to you that Marxism doesn't work? Okay, well, I've never heard of that and I've lived in 6 different states. I agree with you that if that is happening, it certainly is unconstitutional, but I'm not sure how this ties in to our particular discussion.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

Does the Prime Minister have specific plans for black folk in the UK? Does there need to be a specific plan for black folk when we are one and the same? Isn't singling out black people perpetuating devisiveness? Are you saying that the slave trade was confined to America? I should hope not, being that most of Western Europe was in on it. I don't believe there is one any longer. Its all attitude. Are you telling me that Bill Cosby would be passed up by K-Fed for a job? Sorry, but I don't buy it. Modulous, did it ever occur to you that some people commit disadvantages themselves? Again, are you telling me that Britney Spears, because she's white, could get a job over Oprah Winfrey, because she's black? I don't think so! You can't discount attitude. Sure, he's a smart man. I think many blacks are lazy, just like many whites are lazy. I wouldn't begin to quantify something like that. But here's my problem: Lazy, ignorant, unkempt, discourteous black folk might get a job just because they are black, rather than say, (oh, I don't know), on the measure of their character -- something Martin Luther King, a true patriot, said.Its this extreme patronizing. Its pathetic. Its condescending. And moreover, its RACISM. How is that not blindingly obvious? You know, if I were a black man and someone offered me a job just because I'm black, I'd probably slap the hell out of them and say, "How dare you patronize me! I don't need your pittance. I'm a man, dammit. If you were so color blind, my race wouldn't factor in at ALL!" Fantastic. So, for the record, are you stating, in no uncertain terms, that the only reason Cubans are successful is because money was thrown at them from the beginning?My brother-in-law might find that very interesting. And here I though he was a self-made man.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

Why does he need a specific policy for blacks that differs from whites, or any other Americans? Why? Aren't we one nation? Aren't we all human beings? Brenna, the law is in place already. Other than prosecuting people who fail to meet this basic criteria, what more would you like to see done? The next option is special compensation. I've responded to several of your posts. Which post are you referring to? I just lived in the ghetto for 3 years! I finally got out. Maybe you should live in the ghetto. You sure wouldn't feel sorry for all the people there, because it would become instantly apparent that many of them have allowed themselves to languish there. Not all, certainly, but a very, very high percentage. Not only does EVERYONE profile, (including you: I don't have to personally know you, to know that), profiling is an integral part of detective work. Or did you think that serial killers are just unlucky people?Now, that said: Racial profiling is garbage because its too subjective. That said, demeanor and appearance that extends beyond race, is a very important tool to establish reasonable suspicion. If you saw a gaggle of white kids with shaved heads, red suspenders, combat boots with white laces, wearing wife beaters, and adorned with swastika tattoos, chances are that the sensitivity training you underwent is gonna go right out the window -- and rightfully so.Ever check a guy out at a bar, a department store, or a grocery store? Well, that's profiling. You are gathering little clues about him to see if he may be a good suitor. Is there something inherently fearful or hateful about that? I should hope not. So this is the reason why Cubans are successful in South Florida?!?!? I'll let my brother-in-law know.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

Whatever... I guess there is nothing left to say. Don't vote for him. Homework on what exactly? Trying to prove that the black man is hopelessly destitute? I guess I'm just not a cynical defeatist. By Hollywood, I mean white liberals. No, I mean read between the lines.

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Brenna, this is a fact. Even in predominantly black schools, there are still minorities of different races attending. You should note that none of them get more money than the other. So why is it that some Asian kid, in the same destitute situation, excels where their counterparts fail? It isn't intelligence. Its culture.

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Go to any ghetto anywhere in America and then tell me what you see. It all depends on the situation. African Americans comprise approximately 12% of the total population of the United States. That's not very large considering that hispanics have now surpassed them in number in a span of fifty years or so. I'm not going to go run out to Borders or Barnes and Nobles right now, but I will have the book in the back of my mind the next time I happen to be there.Racism still exists, unquestionably. But that doesn't have to be a convenient scapegoat. In the mind of a liberal, racism only goes in one direction, which directly correlates to the overall perception of communist ideologies. Anyone in a minority status can do no wrong, where people in a majority status are out to destroy the minority.The reality is that none of it is so clear cut. There are many factors and extenuating circumstances at work. Brenna, I know what's going on. The question is, do you? Or are you just listening to the little birdy in your ear who decries injustice about everything?Until there is a complete inversion of the norms, NOT equality, the liberal will not be happy.

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Every one of those things has a legal basis. What you are really advocating, by the sound of it, is a communist society where you indiscriminantly give to people who don't earn, and think that a bed of flowers will blossom out of it. How many failures will it take to prove to you that Marxism doesn't work?

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You may not even be aware of the origins of your beliefs. I happen to know where it stems from and how it now has infiltrated the mainstream in to the commercials we watch to every day modes of speech. Umwertung aller Werte. Brenna, when do you ever actually address what I've said? If I ask you a question, you take it to mean that you needn't answer it except with a question of your own.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

I mentioned Kwanza because it is an illustration of attempting to authenticate something as being genuinely African in culture when in fact it has nothing to do with anything African. Some stats on what? You never asked what it is that you want some statistics for.

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Indians, living in abject squalor, statistically fair better than the richest of little suburbanite white kids. Why? Because their culture has not been corrupted by the slothful, indifferent American attitude that now pervades the country.

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Sure. In every single bracket, African Americans score lower than every one of their peers. See, one might be able to chalk this up to how one race is more disadvantaged than others. The problem is, every school in America is integrated, which means all people's of all colors are attending the same schools. So there is no bias to rely on. It obviously culturally induced rather The Man out to get people of another color.The trends very plainly speak for themselves. Maryland/DC, Grades 4-8 reveal that Asian and caucasian students routinely score higher, The same in mathematics.Over and over again we see that some minorities do well, whereas others do not do well. There are only two serious options from which to deduce the reality of the situation. Either Asian and Caucasian people are inherently more intelligent than other races, or certain cultural pressures make for a lackadaisacal attitude towards education.The easiest way to determine whether it is genetically caused is to look at the aggregates of the same race and juxtapose those statistics by different locations.If it can be demonstrated that, say, that Jamaicans living in squalor statistically do better than, say, African Americans, then there is the surest way to know that race literally bears no relevance to a persons intelligence.So, what then are some extenuating circumstances? Some people say that poverty will effect it. And while that is certainly a consideration, it does nothing to explain why impoverished nations routinely score vastly higher than Americans or certain Europeans.It will become instantly apparent that race and/or poverty have no direct correlation to how well the population will do scholastically, but rather, is evidence of how culture often dictates how people will act and perform within any given society.And lets face it, we all know its true.The same could be said of juxtaposing white Americans next to white Europeans. They are basically genetically identical because the white Americans originate from Europe. Yet, Europeans almost always score higher than Americans. Therefore, it seems blindingly obvious that it has everything to do with culture, and nothing to do with race.

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What I notice is that people in that business want a person who is reliable, who isn't so ghetto that they devalue the entire block.

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How is that racist when I mentioned nothing about race? I am talking about ghetto behavior, you know, crass, course, bragadocious, ill-tempered behavior that is prevalent in urban communities? The surest way to know that what I'm saying is true is to note that one of the most coveted dreams of inhabitants of the ghetto, is to get out of the ghetto.I don't see how it is possible in this day and age for an average realtor to disallow someone like Barack Obama to live in an upper-class neighborhood, but allow a thug personified, like, say, Eminem, to live there solely on the basis that one is white and the other black, rather than, one is ghetto and the other can conduct themselves in a civilized manner. A higher propensity for violence, crime, drug addiction, low educational standards, poor manners, etc, etc. Well, you know MBG, if you want to address me to respond to something, you should respond to me. You wrote this post to brenna, not to me, yet you are speaking as if you were talking to me rather than to her. I almost didn't see this post, which surely would have made your prognostications come true. But then, that was probably your intent.

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“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman