the new and improved obama thread

Hi Buz,
All I got was a message saying "You have chosen a page that does not exist.".

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Mutate and Survive

Firstly, many thanks for the link, Molbiogirl.So let's take a look at what Buz said; All bolding is mine of course.Now if anyone can see anything like the bolded statements in the article Buz cites, I would love to get a helping hand spotting it, as I can't see it myself. Where is the racism? Which bit is anti-Semitic? Where does he call for black power? Is there even any mention of the Nation of Islam?Of course, it could be that I can't see it because it's not there, and Buz is just clutching at straws. It all sounds like smear, innuendo and falsehoods to me.

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Buz, I must have been dozing off when Wright specified that whites were to blame for Hiroshima and Nagasaki (I thought he used the word "we"; maybe I was dreaming), or where he actually accused whites of ruining the nation. Funny that.Besides, just because Obama has listens to Wright, it does not mean he agrees with him on every single issue, still less that he would follow any of Wright's advice. I doubt that every member of your congregation slavishly believes every word you say; I certainly hope not.Anyway, you were going to demonstrate that Wright was a "radical black racist" and that he is "antisemetic" and that he "espouses racist black power" and that he "has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders". You have ignored my request to show me the bit of your cited article that backs up any of these assertions. I assume that the reason for this is because you know full well that your cite demonstrates nothing of the sort. You need to demonstrate that there is something wrong with the pastor before it follows that there is something wrong with supporting him. You have ignored my invitation to back up your slurs. The worst your article has on Wright is that he said "damn America". Oh horror! Obama sits and listens to someone exercising his right of free speech! How awful! This is pretty tame stuff compared to your accusations. Pat and Jerry could cite scripture that predicted any damn thing they liked, as they share(d) your bent for twisting the Bible into whatever suits the current agenda.One of the few genuinely controversial things that Wright says in the article is that America is partly to blame for 9/11, an argument that is far from unusual. You seem to be implying that America is entirely to blame, due to its sinful ways inviting divine hissy-fits. So, you and Pat and Jerry appear to outdo Wright in this arena, as Molbiogirl points out. Again, I must have developed hysterical blindness when I read the anti-Semetic bits, as I didn't see any. Again, I invite you to point them out to me. Until then, this seems like more smear tactic bullshit.

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KKK America huh? Well that is certainly fairly inflammatory, but it's just rhetoric. Face facts, America still has a race problem. It is well known that those executed by the US state are disproportionately black ( as evidenced here ). If I was keen on the same kind of rhetoric as Wright, I might call that state-sponsored lynching. He calls it KKK America. So what? He has a legitimate beef.He implies that whites are to blame for racism against blacks. Big surprise. Did you expect him to blame the Chinese? I have a news flash for you; the vast majority of those running your country are rich whites. Well that does demonstrate extremely poor judgement on Wright's part; if it is true, which you haven't bothered to demonstrate. I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm just saying that it would be nice if you bothered to back this kind of thing up.We all know that Farrakhan is an asswipe. Farrakhan is anti-Semitic. That does not demonstrate that Wright is anti-Semitic. All you can do is say "Obama is bad, because he knows a guy who knows a guy who's anti-Semitic.". Pretty weak Buz. Fundamentally dishonest. You have repeatedly failed to demonstrate that Wright has "spewed" any hate against Jews or anyone else. Let's be quite clear. Criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic. I happen to agree with Wright on this one. The one you didn't link to? Probably. I know I have. A few black people in power changes little. Black people still get a raw deal, and whites still run the show. Britain is far from perfect in this department either by the way. Again, do you really think that all of your congregation agree with every word you say? Sounds like amazing arrogance to me. You have yet to demonstrate that Wright has said anything racist or anti-Semitic, so it doesn't really matter what Obama thinks of him.

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Whoops! My mistake, I'm clearly getting you mixed up with another member or something. My apologies.The point that I was attempting to make was that you have not demonstrated that Obama agrees with everything that Wright says or that Obama will follow Wright's advice. That point still stands. The single video you link to contains none of the alleged racism, etc. If you want to trawl the net looking for unpalatable comments from Wright, with which you can smear Obama, be my guest. Don't expect me to do your homework though.Similarly, feel free to dig up Farrakhan-related dirt on Wright. It doesn't really matter though, because Wright is not Obama. Show me that Obama has given Farrakhan some cheesy award, and I'll be suitably appalled, but just because Wright has rubbed shoulders with the old hate-monger, it doesn't affect Obama. Guilt by association is an especially poor argument when it is employed at arms length. Well I have not said that Wright is not anti-Semitic. I am saying that you have failed to demonstrate that Wright is anti-Semitic.Also, calling Libya a "Muslim dictatorial nation", is a little off the mark. Libya is no Islamic theocracy. "Dictatorial Muslim nation" would have been better phrasing, although still irrelevant to those of us who don't soil ourselves at the mere mention of the word "Muslim".This is just guilt by association, and we could play this game with any of the candidates. Every politician has unpalatable friends and allies. They are not the ones running for office. It is a shame that you are so unwilling to judge the candidate on his own merit. Obama has said that he is not anti-Semitic and no-one has proved that he is. He gets to be considered innocent until proven guilty.I am quite amused by your indignation at the indoctrination of Obama's kids. You almost sound like Richard Dawkins, trembling with anger at the brain-washing of the poor children. Are you really suggesting that there is something wrong with a parent taking their child to the religious service of their choice? That seems a little hypocritical.Bottom line; you are yet to back up any of your various slurs.

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At last you say something I can agree with; That's right, it's Wright's problem, not Obama's. They are different people you know. Wright is not standing; Obama is. For all I know, you may slavishly accept every single word that is said in your preferred place of worship, but believe it or not, not everyone is so lacking in critical faculties.Maybe these scare tactics would work better if you just typed "muslim,muslim,muslim" in small type at the bottom of each of your posts.

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