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Topic: the new and improved obama thread
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Chiroptera
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Message 4 of 237 (445907)
01-04-2008 11:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by nwr
01-04-2008 11:05 AM
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Off-topic, but of related interest.
A recent issue of The Nation had several short articles, each one supporting one of the Democratic contenders.
He fought for the South for no reason that he could now recall, other than the same one all men fought for: because he'd been a damn fool. -- Garth Ennis
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Chiroptera
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Message 14 of 237 (446103)
01-04-2008 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
01-04-2008 8:58 PM
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Time for a new subtitle.
If Obama thinks like his mentor pastor who likes The Nation Of Islam which wants a nation of and by black extremist racists, hating whites and Jews, what has Obama got in mind for whites down the line? Note that I only included one question mark in the copied quote. Anyway, not only have I never heard any "Nation of Islam" views come from Obama, I don't recall you ever quoted this "mentor pastor" as saying anything I disagree with. What is it again that this pastor is supposed to have said that is so objectionable?
He fought for the South for no reason that he could now recall, other than the same one all men fought for: because he'd been a damn fool. -- Garth Ennis
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Chiroptera
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Message 113 of 237 (459364)
03-06-2008 11:10 AM
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Does any like This Modern World?
Boy, this reminded me of a conversation we've had here:
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 131 of 237 (460485)
03-15-2008 4:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
03-15-2008 3:54 PM
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Re: Obama and the Rev. Wright
Would you say that Bush would then think like Jerry Falwell relative to homosexality, access to Heaven and other controversial matters? Well, for one thing, Falwell is well known and his statements make news -- it would be hard for Bush, or anyone, to claim he didn't know what Falwell stood for. But more importantly, Bush has a record of public statements and political actions by which one can figure out his stand. Using past associations to try to judge a new politician without a record is certainly fair; but when a politician does have a record, then I think his actual recorded behavior says more than his past associations. Obama also has a record. He was an Illinois state senator of 8 years, and he has been a US senator for 2 years -- certainly long enought to have been involved in legislation. What does Obama's public statements, his political activism, and his legislative history say about his stands on the issues that you are bringing up?
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 139 of 237 (460495)
03-15-2008 5:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by ramoss
03-15-2008 5:26 PM
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Re: Obama and religion
Interesting, too, how these charges are being made by people who would never, ever, under any circumstances vote for Obama or for anyone who might even be remotely "liberal". If these charges had any basis in fact, you'd think that more disinterested people would be able to find them.
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 140 of 237 (460496)
03-15-2008 5:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 135 by Buzsaw
03-15-2008 5:11 PM
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Re: Obama and the Rev. Wright
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By association it is crystal clear that Obama likes what this preacher thinks and has aquessed to it for 23 years.
Why go by something as vague and open to interpretation as association? His voting record in both the Illinois and US Senates and his speaches made therein are a matter of public record. Why not present something more concrete from his public record?
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 145 of 237 (460504)
03-15-2008 6:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 143 by Buzsaw
03-15-2008 6:34 PM
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Whoa!
Bear in mind that the world wide Islamic conspiracy to dominate the planet has made a concerted effort to infiltrate our Pentagon and in fact our entire government so as to establish Islam in the US of A as is being accomplished in Europe and as, imo, is prophecied in the Biblical prophecies. Why do I feel like it's 1950 all over again?
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 147 of 237 (460509)
03-15-2008 8:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by Silent H
03-15-2008 8:18 PM
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Re: the Arabian Candidate
Hi, H. I don't know if you noticed this thread, but this is where the whole "Manchurian Muslim" issue first showed it's absurd face here. (Ironically, brennakimi started this thread to try to have a serious conversation about Obama without the "Secret Agent Muslim" nonsense.)
...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi
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Chiroptera
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Message 156 of 237 (460553)
03-16-2008 2:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by Silent H
03-16-2008 2:27 PM
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Re: Obama and the Rev. Wright
I find your lack of insight on this stunning. Xians and Jews have continued throughout the millenia to remind themselves and everyone else how horrible the Egyptians were, the Romans were, and continually fearmonger about other people that do not believe or live as they do. Heck, Passion plays are still popular, eh? Holy shit! How could we have forgotten how Mel Gibson's snuff film, The Passion of Christ, (and the Gospel of John, for that matter) was defended against charges of anti-Semitism? Good point, H. Motes and beams, indeed.
Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. -- Wendell Berry
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Chiroptera
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Message 176 of 237 (460771)
03-18-2008 7:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by Grizz
03-18-2008 6:51 PM
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Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
He could turn out to be a Kennedy.... You mean killed early on and then canonized as a saint? That's what a lot of black folk are thinking, actually. -
...he could be a one-term lame duck like Carter. You mean an intelligent and far-sighted President whose policies, no matter how obviously necessary and correct, will be ridiculed and resisted until he's ejected from the political scene? That's what I expect, actually.
Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. -- Wendell Berry
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Chiroptera
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Message 178 of 237 (460774)
03-18-2008 7:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 175 by Silent H
03-18-2008 6:54 PM
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Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
To Buz: please read the entire transcript and tell me how, as a christian and an American, you feel his words indicate anything but positive intentions for this nation. These are HIS words. How would you judge them? You know, I feel like I'm reading the science forums. The truth has already be determined; all facts will be shoe-horned into the consistency with the predetermined truth, and any inconvenient fact will be ignored.
Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. -- Wendell Berry
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Chiroptera
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Message 192 of 237 (460853)
03-19-2008 12:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 184 by Buzsaw
03-18-2008 11:18 PM
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Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
This man's shady affiliates and the fact that he has the most liberal socialist voting record in the Senate raises red flags all over the place. Ha ha! Double meaning of "red flag" -- good one! Actually, that's cool. If true I might get up and register to vote.
Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. -- Wendell Berry
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Chiroptera
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Message 205 of 237 (460994)
03-20-2008 9:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 204 by Buzsaw
03-20-2008 8:38 PM
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Re: Huckabee on Obama and Wright
Whew! Aren't you glad he didn't get the nomination?
Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy. -- Wendell Berry
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Chiroptera
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Message 227 of 237 (461144)
03-22-2008 6:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 225 by Buzsaw
03-22-2008 5:59 PM
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Off-topic and probably unnecessary clarification
My point was that socialists agree with the Wright contention that the rich are the source of America's problems. Actually, socialists don't believe the rich are the source of America's problems. The problems are inherent in an economic system where the few own the means and products produced by the majority. "The rich" are simply folks who have an understandable self-interest in maintaining the a system that is the source of their wealth and power. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president. -- Kurt Vonnegut
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