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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
I'm pretty sure, given Buz's previous comments regarding Obama, that he meant Muslims
African-Americans would also be accepted by the judges It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
But a Friday night in front of a recording of the prime-ministerial debates.... How fuckin sad am I.......? I don't think it is sad at all. I am glad you are taking the time to be informed. Elections are bought and sold with platitudes and campaign promises in the States. The overwhelming majority of people don't care enough to investigate anything, so seeing you take interest in the affairs of your country makes me happy by proxy. I am happy that I am making you happy. But I am still somewhwt upset that my Friday nights are not more exciting.
You are, however, going to have to explain what "knackered" and "nappies" means in your vernacular. I hope Mr Jack's answers have made things clearer.
Elections are bought and sold with platitudes and campaign promises in the States. On a more serious note - I think the same can be said to some extent anywhere. The debates have certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons for the moment. How temporary or sustained that will be remains to be seen. But currently the third party is riding high in the polls in a way that if translated to actual votes would cause a massive shift in British party politics from the long term status quo.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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Knackered = tired Nappies = those garments you put on babies to catch their doings. Er, diapers? Alright, I guessed knackered right but nappies had me scratching my temple. Thanks! "Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
African-Americans would also be accepted by the judges I don't think so. I've never seen Buz make comments along the lines of African-Americans being a "tyrannical minority," while he has made that sort of statement (and more) with regard to Muslims. That, and his use of the word "stealth" in reference to Obama was a dead giveaway, because Buz considers Obama to be a "Stealth Muslim," the linchpin of some horrible Muslim plot to take over Good White Christian America (tm). Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
I don't think so. I've never seen Buz make comments along the lines of African-Americans being a "tyrannical minority,"
Yes but he has before called the election of Obama "racist" claiming that African-Americans only voted for Obama because he's African-American and that by doing so they're showing racism. That plus his general bigotry lead me to think he was lumping AAs into the "army of voters from among the minority element, many who were not previously in the habit of voting." It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
I suppose we could always ask the source.
Buz, were you being a Muslim-phobic conspiratorial bigot, or a Black-hating conspiratorial bigot when you made those comments earlier?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Buz, were you being a Muslim-phobic conspiratorial bigot, or a Black-hating conspiratorial bigot when you made those comments earlier? Are you also going to force him to answer the question "Have you stopped beating your wife" with a 'yes' or 'no'?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Yes but he has before called the election of Obama "racist" claiming that African-Americans only voted for Obama because he's African-American and that by doing so they're showing racism. Well, many blacks have in fact claimed to have voted for Obama because he is black. But they didn't vote for Alan Keyes when he ran for president on the basis that he's black, and I know several black folk who did not vote for Obama. So, I guess his point is moot. *sigh* African-Americans? What a stupid term. Do blacks in Canada refer to themselves as African-Canadians? "Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
/shrug
In this case, Buz has basically already admitted to the beating, and we're just trying to figure out whether he used a baseball bat or (since this is a UK thread) a cricket bat.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
In this case, Buz has basically already admitted to the beating, and we're just trying to figure out whether he used a baseball bat or (since this is a UK thread) a cricket bat. I'd have figured Buz as a more of a 'whack round the head with the butt of a shotgun' kinda guy myself. And don't get me started on cricket otherwise this thread will be derailed even more than it already is being by discussions on US politics.....
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Huntard writes: I think this has to do with the national party, right? This is exactly what I mean, why not vote for a man that has brought your constituency prosperity? I know exactly where you're coming from, but I just couldn't go as far as to actually vote Tory. They are the party of privilege. They only exist to look after the interests of the rich and they don't give a damn about anyone else. They made a horrible mess last time they were in government and I don't believe that they have sincerely changed. Realistically, it is a rare MP that makes enough of a difference to his or her constituency that the local decision could completely eclipse the national decision. I think that both ways of deciding are valid though. The local aspect creates a level of accountability. Those MPs who work hard for their constituents generally do well, often bucking national trends.
They system we have in The Netherlands is a list of candidates for the entire country, Everybody gets to vote for the same persons, whether they are from your "constituency" or not (which is why we don't have constituencies). This prevents dilemmas like yours from happening. The drawback to this is of course that heavily populated areas are likely to have more "local" guys in the government, and they tend to forget the lesser populated areas. This tends to focus around the "big cities" of the "randstad", basically the are between Utrecht, Amsterdam The Hague and Rotterdam. Though I realize that our country is a lot smaller than yours, so implementing a system like that might be a bit hard over there. It sounds like a good system mostly. It certainly means that the national vote is fairly represented in parliament, something that our first-past-the-post system is very bad at. I think you're right that it wouldn't wash in the UK though. People are very attached to the constituency system here. Mutate and Survive
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
People are very attached to the constituency system here. Having an actual representative specific to your area and it's concerns, having a specific person you can go and see about whatever local issue there might be, is not necessarily something to be given up without consideration. But basically I agree with what you say about our present system. There must be a way to retain some sort of regional representation without having the skewed and anachronistic results of our current system.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Hi Kitsune,
does something about the abysmal architectural planning that puts a space-age modern building next to (and dwarfing) one of the few landmarks from the Middle Ages we have left? Hey! I like that building! It's shiny. Shiny is good.
To be honest I don't feel like my votes count for much at all, I can appreciate your frustration. It's another unfortunate side effect of our set up. I think it's one you're going to be stuck with as well, even if the system is revised.
but I will vote in order to keep people like the BNP out. I live in Highfields. They don't dare canvass around here. They'd get kicked shitless. Repeatedly. Mutate and Survive
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Hi Straggler,
Having an actual representative specific to your area and it's concerns, having a specific person you can go and see about whatever local issue there might be, is not necessarily something to be given up without consideration. Oh I didn't intend to talk it down. I really value being able to see a local MP. I wouldn't want to lose that. On the other hand, not all opposition to voting reform is going to be rational. I think there's going to be a conservative {small 'c'} element who just don't want to see change. Mutate and Survive
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1055 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
I think this has to do with the national party, right? In order to properly understand this, I think it's important to appreciate that this sort of attitude is partly a prerational, cultural thing - like supporting a football team you were bought up to hate (no offense intended towards your choice of party, Granny Magda, I'm not saying your political choices are irrational!). I was brought up learning children's rhymes about Margaret Thatcher's death. The thought of voting Tory provokes a strong, negative emotional reaction entirely seperate from the thought of any policies they'd enact. As for the separate question of how to make a fairer voting system without severing the link people have with a local MP, the answer seems obvious. A ower house elected proportionally, an upper house elected by single-member constiuencies. With the upper house not playing a role in the formation of government, it will make local MPs more responsive to their constituents' needs, as the party whip would no longer matter so much. It instantly solves the never-ending question of when Lords reform is going to be completed as well.
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