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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
quote: The point is, as Taq illustrated earlier, one could just as easily find instances of left-wing indiscretions. What should we therefore conclude by them? That the whole DNC is premised upon a lie? "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I could give a shit if you are gay, or muslim, or athiest, and want to marry each other in CA, because I don't nor ever will live there. You want to murder your foetus, go ahead its none of my business. Why would you care even in your own state? or are you saying you don't at all? You say:
quote: Cool. But then you say:
quote: But would you agree that, how is it any of your business what anyone in any state does? Because, as you say, "I don't like to mind anyone's business but my own." - Oni
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
But would you agree that, how is it any of your business what anyone in any state does? Because, as you say, "I don't like to mind anyone's business but my own." I think he's saying that what would effect him are policies in his own state (Virginia). Because he's subject to a policy enacted by his state, it therefore is his business because it effects him. But if he's not a California resident, the affairs of Californians don't effect, nor does he care. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
I do care what happens in my state because it affect me and my business. and I should have properly quoted that line to look like this "I don't like to mind nobody's business but my own"--Charlile Daniels (can i go back and change it?). I am not the best writer by any means, and I am sorry if it was confusing. the point I was trying to make is: that I do not care what happens in other states. I do care what happens in my state. Using a quote from a country music song was probably not the best idea now in hindsight. sorry for the confusion.
I think he's saying that what would effect him are policies in his own state (Virginia). Because he's subject to a policy enacted by his state, it therefore is his business because it effects him. But if he's not a California resident, the affairs of Californians don't effect, nor does he care.
sweet somebody got it. Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Generalization and sweeping allegations? The author provided very specific examples and links to reputable news sources as evidence of these specific examples. Did you even read the article and the provided links? You. Is not very specific. It implies the audience who reads its. To me it implied conservative in general because that is what the author states earlier in the article. Have YOU read the title? Or who it is directed to Dear Conservative Americans. I am a conservative American, yet hardly anything I read had anything to do with what I think or how I vote. It was way off. How about this a bad open letter writes: sounds like a sweeping generalization to me. Your party -- the GOP -- and the conservative end of the American political spectrum have become irresponsible and irrational. Reputable news sources!?! Roflmfao! Since when do various BLOGS count as a reputable source? Or in which fantasy world is that the case? Look I understand you are a believer and love the taste of this article’s kool-aid, but please do not act as if bob’s random political blog is a reputable source, and therefore evidence. Try and use the same scrutiny that you would in a scientific debate over the valid nature of sources. TPM? Thinkprogress? blog.american.com? Maybe these are reputable, maybe I am the oddball for not hearing of them. I found Thinkprogress (where many of the links go), under Center for American progress (a liberal public policy and research advocacy organization). Thinkprogress is a liberal blog. I guess to some people that is a reputable source, unfortunately I am not one of those people. This leads be to believe that as I look into the reputable sources and come to find more and more liberal blogs, as these source that I was correct in my original observation that this article is nothing more than leftist propaganda.
And that's exactly what the author of the article did. He was addressing individual conservatives, not the republican party as a whole. Which individual is the Texas school board? Once again from the article Your party -- the GOP — and the conservative end of the American political spectrum have become irresponsible and irrational. definitely addressing both conservatives, and the republican party as a whole, and not just individuals like you want us to believe. It is always amusing to see the exact same person, who in a Science thread will demand evidence from a legitimate source, will 30 seconds later in a political thread, take Bob’s blog as a legitimate source for evidence in a political one. (here is the link from the article about teleprompter use, that goes to Bob’s blog incase you think I was making that up as a source The CPAC Teleprompter – The Bob Cesca Show | News and Politics Podcast and Blog)
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I think he's saying that what would effect him are policies in his own state (Virginia). Ok, I got that, but here's where it doesn't make sense to me. He mentions that he doesn't care if a gay person wishes to marry in California (or anywhere else, other than Virginia), or if you'd like to abort a pregnancy in Cali or else where. My question is, why care if they wanted to get married or abort a pregnancy in Virginia? It doesn't affect him in any way, whether it be someone in California, Alaska or Virginia. These type of social policies don't affect anyone but the individual it concerns.
Because he's subject to a policy enacted by his state, it therefore is his business because it effects him. Agreed. Something relating to state taxes or things of that nature, sure, it obviously affects him. But gay marriage and abortion anywhere but in his house wouldn't affect him. So why care in either case? - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I do care what happens in my state because it affect me and my business. Fair enough, and I agree - things that affect you directly should concern you. But how does gay marriage or abortion (or policies like these) affect you or your business?
I do care what happens in my state. But only because it could directly affect you, like say a new tax increase or some frivolous pending by you state reps. Fine, concern yourself all you want. But a gay person getting married or a teenager that terminates a pregancy in California, Alaska or Virginia doesn't affect you in any way. So why concern yourself with it at all? PS. I love Charlie Daniels
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
He mentions that he doesn't care if a gay person wishes to marry in California (or anywhere else, other than Virginia), or if you'd like to abort a pregnancy in Cali or else where. My question is, why care if they wanted to get married or abort a pregnancy in Virginia? I don't know. Perhaps he's one of those people who think allowing gay marriage will cause some sort of upheavel in society.
It doesn't affect him in any way, whether it be someone in California, Alaska or Virginia. These type of social policies don't affect anyone but the individual it concerns. That's how I see it too. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
But only because it could directly affect you, like say a new tax increase or some frivolous pending by you state reps. Fine, concern yourself all you want. But a gay person getting married or a teenager that terminates a pregancy in California, Alaska or Virginia doesn't affect you in any way. So why concern yourself with it at all? PS. I love Charlie Daniels Look, I do not know how to spell this out anymore than this: I don’t care. Do I argue against you guys about the same topics sometimes as a devil’s advocate, sure and I have on here in the past. I am pro choice (I don’t ever remember arguing against this). I am neutral on gay marriage, I don’t care either way (and my one vote is not going to change anything in this messed up commonwealth). I am not concerned with it. I think this is classic Oni, getting hung up on a small part of something and then thinking he is disagreeing with some one only to find out 10 posts later that he is not. PS. Most people talk trash because I sometimes listen to country music.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Artemis writes:
No, it doesn't. In the English language, taken in context "you" could be used for a general case or a specific case. I agree that if one uses "you" alone without further explanation then yes it is used in a general context. But if I were to say "you can't have a red, white, and blue flag with 7 stars as your avatar and not be a douchebag *cough cough*," then wouldn't you agree that I'm only talking specifically about you, Artemis? You. Is not very specific. It implies the audience who reads its. Context is everything in our language. You should know this by now unless you're like twelve.
Reputable news sources!?! Roflmfao! Since when do various BLOGS count as a reputable source?
Yes, some of those links go to blogs, but those blogs have links to news sources. If you question the validity of any of those claims, please point them out and we can discuss about them. I read through them and I couldn't find any misinformation that I know of.
This leads be to believe that as I look into the reputable sources and come to find more and more liberal blogs, as these source that I was correct in my original observation that this article is nothing more than leftist propaganda.
Again, if you dispute any of these claims, point them out specifically. Using your own words against you, I could simply say that your entire posts are nothing more than stalinist propaganda.
Which individual is the Texas school board?
Um, if you weren't aware of this fact, the board is made of individuals, not robots. And it took the majority of them to vote something into effect. In this particular case, when he used the word "you", he was using it in context of the board that voted the policy in.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
onifre writes:
Not knowing who Charlie Daniels is, I'm assuming it's some dude that you have found to be your true love. Congrats! So, when did you come out and when can we attend your gay wedding? Don't worry, I'm sure the Malawi police won't be able to arrest you this time.
PS. I love Charlie Daniels
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
keep drinking the kool-aid.
I already did point out specific issues, and you don't have shit. How about this since you re definding the POS article. you find me a few sources on their that aren't blogs or liberal newpapapers, because I have not found any in the first 20 or so that I have looked at. I am going to blanket and generalize, and guess that the whole article is bad journalism taking stuff from biased blogs (at least the 1st 6 paragaraphs that I have looked at are). so find 5 nuetral or non biased sources on there (or at the very least something from both sides of the argument). you know the repubtable ones you seem to think exist in the article's links. "well it links to a blog that links to a blog that links to a newa source" is total BS have you ever heard of primary sources, or is this how you do your research? Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given. Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given. Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
PS. Most people talk trash because I sometimes listen to country music. Then maybe you should only listen to Classical music like Mozart, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Beethoven, Patsy Cline, The Beatles, Willie Nelson, Mary Chapin Carpenter, maybe a little Bach. Oops, forgot David Allan Coe. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
. . . less government intrusion . . . Intrusion into what, specifically?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Perhaps he's one of those people who think allowing gay marriage will cause some sort of upheavel in society. Right, but then he should be concerned for all of the US in that case, not just Virginia. Or, not care at all even in Virginia. - Oni
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