Open letter to conservatives

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. . . less government intrusion . . .

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The sovereignty of your life and the economic market.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

I didn't know there was a "classic Oni" way of doing things, but cool.I just asked you a question pertaining to your comment that you didn't care if gays got married in Cali or aborted a pregancy, but that you did care in Virginia because you lived there. You said that, not me. I was curious about it so I challenged it, because, this is a debate forum.Should I say this is classic Artemis Entreri trying to backpedal and avoid confronting exactly what he said?- Oni

Are you crazy? Rrhain and I...oops...I mean "Charlie Daniels" and I aren't getting married. Marriage blows, we do too, but in a good way.- Oni

So you should be able to sell snake oil as a cure all without FDA intrusion? Should you be able to not pay taxes . . . just because? Surely you see some role for government in the way that people interact, do you not?

Hi, Taz. Generalizing to conservatives is just as illogical and offensive as generalizing to the Republican party, so I’m not sure what you thought you would accomplish with this.----- Would linking to specific examples of the above really change the fact that I’m attaching the incident to the group?It's libel. You liberals shouldn't libel.Edited by Bluejay, : Minor grammatical adjustments.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)Darwin loves you.

Are you for completely unregulated markets and against law enforcement? Could you give examples of where the government has gone too far?

If you can show that those things really happened then it isn't libel.

The first link sources pollster, which takes a bunch of polls (sourced) and plots them to show a general trend. The second link is to an article that specifically addresses this presentation, notably referencing page 29 which details what they think are the notable motivators for donating to the Republican party. This was a presentation by RNC Finance Director Rob Bickhart. The open letter suggests conservatives should do better than Rob Bickhart's efforts.Then it goes on to implore conservatives to 'not flip out' - with a link to Republican representatives talking about how they think 'deem and pass' is 'deceptive', 'sleight of hand' and 'unconstitutional' despite it being something Republican speakers have invoked many times previously.Do you think Conservatives should stand by and allow their representatives to say things which are not true, over-react, appeal to fear and pursuit of power to gain money, support a policy when their representative is in executive power and then rail against it when he is not?It is a criticism of the actions of the Republican representatives, and a call to Conservatives to

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{d}rain the swamp of the conspiracy nuts, the bald-faced liars undeterred by demonstrable facts, the overt hypocrisy and the hatred. Then offer us a calm, responsible, grownup agenda based on your values and your vision for America. We may or may not agree with your values and vision, but we'll certainly welcome you back to the American mainstream with open arms. We need you.

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Do you think they shouldn't? It wasn't a journalistic piece, it was an open-letter. The bias of the blogs is irrelevant to the sentiment of the words. He wants the Conservatives to start getting their act together, to disassociate themselves of the representatives that engage in demagoguery, hypocrisy, hyperbole and hatred.

If you had to broadly define the role of government in one, simple sentence, I think it would be "to protect it's citizens."That goes for, obviously, law enforcement. It also goes for protecting citizens from things like fraud. The Patriot Act, Income tax, the New Deal, the Death Tax, the Soda tax, etc.Edit to add: Social SecurityEdited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

He didn't generalise Conservatives. He wrote a letter to them, imploring they clean house. He didn't say "All Conservatives are liars, hypocrites...etc". He said "Here are some Conservatives lying, being hypocritical etc. Some of them were elected as Republican representatives. Can you guys sort this out?"

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You liberals shouldn’t have extramarital affairs in the White House.

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Is there anything in the article cited that is comparable to this statement? Nobody should. But I don't see how saying "I think the Republican party and conservative politics has become infested with demagoguery and hypocrisy and here is my supporting evidence. Can you guys put a stop that, start criticising these people, stop voting for them etc?" is libellous. Can you point to some actual libel in the article?

I agree, but I think we disagree on how to protect citizens or what they need protection from. For example, Social Security was seen as a way to protect our elderly from poverty and death when they were no longer able to work. Medicare the same.One trend I have noticed is that those who lean to the right tend to trust corporations more than government and the opposite for those who lean to the left. Progressives see government as a way of doing something positive that we can not do individually or through a for-profit system. This also seems to be anathema to conservative thought. If you want to get rid of taxation that would require a rewrite of the Constitution since it gives congress the power to tax. However, I do agree that the Patriot Act goes way too far. There was nothing wrong with the laws before it which concerned probable cause and rules for wire tapping.

really? The last progressive elected to any major office was probably the Bull Moose himself, and that was 100 years ago. He was one of the best republicans ever. I think you have the progressives confused with someone else. Progressive Party (United States, 1912) - WikipediaThat is what amendments are for. It would not require a rewrite of the whole constitution. Though A16 should be nullified in the process.Edited by AdminModulous, : took out a space after the url tag which caused problems to the link

and I answered you. I think you are putting words into my mouth. or completly missunderstanding what I typed. you are so full of shit. why don't you show me EXACTLY what i said? because its not what you think I said. then you asked some dumbass question about why would it matter in VA or CA, or AK. I was explaining states rights, those things you want to accuse me off are EXAMPLES of different things that go on in different states.then you refer to me in 3rd person and start making shit up, after i explained to you and even appologized for any confusion, this is when i realized you are just being a trollish bitch. i never said i did care. in fact i said i didn't, and you keep making shit up and pretending that i do, or something. put the glue down. you are argueing against my examples. I never stated my stance on these issues in VA, and when I listed my issues these were not among them.and then where the hell does this come from other than your mind I am not concerning myself with it, you are trying to say that i am somehow concerning myself with it. you trying to say i said some shit that i never said.Onifre are you male or female IRL? cause you debate like a bitch.

From your own source:"The party was funded by publisher Frank A. Munsey and its executive secretary George W. Perkins, a leading financier. The platform called for women's suffrage, recall of judicial decisions, easier amendment of the U.S. Constitution, social welfare legislation for women and children, workers' compensation, limited injunctions in strikes, farm relief, revision of banking to assure an elastic currency, required health insurance in industry, new inheritance taxes and income taxes, improvement of inland waterways, limitation of naval armaments and strict limits "on all campaign contributions and expenditures"."Hmf. Required health insurance in industry, new taxes, improvement of infrastructure, social welfare . . . all of the things that modern conservatives are against. Was Teddy Roosevelt for these things? If so, would you still consider him one of the best Republicans ever?