Open letter to conservatives

But you're just basing that on incredulity, aren't you?Essentially: 'show me that it does affect you or I'll assume that it doesn't', right?I think by the nature of being conservative, we assume that everything is going to have some effect so we're weary of any change in the first place. Probably even more weary of things we just plain don't like.Appealing to a lack of specific examples of effects as an argument that there will be no effects, is not something that a conservative is going to find persuasive.And it sounds like:" Shhh, trust me, everything's gonna be fine, don't worry about it." That sends conservatives the other way, imho.Although, that might work on a drunk chick after a show

If you really didn't care, then you wouldn't vote, right?

Sure, but what does that have to do with not-voting following from not-caring?

Nuh-uh. I'm right and you're wrong. You should read better.

Its not so bad... I'm not broke and uneducated, that's pretty sweet. I think abortion is morally wrong and is "murdering a fetus" but I'm pro-choice. Everything that happens in your state has some effect on you.

Heh, nothing really. I was thinking about what would suck, and came up with that.Reading back it looks different than what I was meaning to say. Well, obviously if its not a fetus then its not murdering a fetus. General blanket statements like that don't ever stand up to scrutiny. Don't mean I won't say it though! Ultimately, the life of the fetus does depend on the mother's choices. If she really want to not be pregnant, its not going to help to legally force her to be pregnant. Plus, my opinions on the morallity of the situation are not something to base laws on. We don't really have a legal person here that murder has been commited against. At the end of the day, its better for that choice to be available, even if I don't like the smell of it. Like I said, you're position is based on incredulity. Now, you have claimed that it would not have an effect, so where's the support for that? You're a part of the culture. As the culture goes through changes in what it feels is okay to do, its inevitable that it will have some affect on you.

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My question is, why care if they wanted to get married or abort a pregnancy in Virginia?

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It doesn't affect him in any way, whether it be someone in California, Alaska or Virginia. These type of social policies don't affect anyone but the individual it concerns.

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But a gay person getting married or a teenager that terminates a pregancy in California, Alaska or Virginia doesn't affect you in any way. So why concern yourself with it at all?

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That's pretty much exactly...You're claiming there's not gonna be an effect. And you're basing it on incredulity because you can't think of what an effect might be. That doesn't mean there isn't gonna be one.Granted, from Message 30:

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Perhaps he's one of those people who think allowing gay marriage will cause some sort of upheavel in society.

Right, but then he should be concerned for all of the US in that case, not just Virginia. Or, not care at all even in Virginia.

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and I don't think so. The idea is that other states are allowed to go about their business and you and your state are allowed to go about yours. I wouldn't say that the culture of California is the same as, say, Arkansas. If fact, they're quite different. Now, you can zoom out and say the US is one big culture, and try to continue your argument, but that's glossing over the whole point of looking at the states individually and as different cultures with different issues. Likewise, you could zoom in and see differences between various counties and argue for differences there and say the state level is too zoomed out. But this is the United States of America, where we draw the line at the state level and then unite ourselves from there. Abortion: reduction in the personhood attributed to unborn people resulting in less humanity, in general, towards future generations.Gay Marriage: breakdown of traditional family values and/or the standard family unit resulting in less formal and possibly less stable family structures that children rely on for social growth.But I just now made those up off the top of my head, and I don't necessarily totally agree with them, but I'm trying to get across the kinds of things I think other, more strongly, conservative people might think.

Yes, I understand. I just don't agree.I am a part of my state and everything that happens here has an effect on me. Things can happen in California that have no effect on me. If they're not at all different then the cultures of California and Arkansas are the same. I can't agree to that so we're approaching an impasse. You're assuming that which you're trying to prove. Because they're different states with different cultures.If the people of Arkansas need to rely on a more traditional family structure then they'd be affected by gay marriage more than California where homosexuality has already become an accepted part of the culture. Again, you're assuming that when you should be showing that.

The point was that it wasn't a fetus. Before week 9, it is an embryo and not a fetus. So an abortion before week 9 couldn't be murdering a fetus. It was a simple and unimportant point, but it was right.The "point" of conception really isn't a point though. The acrosome reaction is a two stage process that happens over time.As far as being murder, that depends on if we're having a moral or legal discussion... both of which are not the topic of this thread.Simply putting your foot down and declaring personhood after a point of conception doesn't help at all with the discussion of the legality of the situation, although as an unarguable moral declaration it seems to work fine.If you care to read, this thread laid out some interesting information: Legal Death, Legal Life, Personhood and Abortion

No, I did not write that the US military spends "MORE". Rather, I wrote that the US spends "ABOUT AS MUCH". It's not even close. That's a very large exaggeration to assert that it spends about as much as the whole word combined. Source

From your source:US: $663,255,000,000Everybody else: $904,013,600,000The US spends 73% as much as the rest of the world combined.Or, the US spends 42% of the total spending.I'll let you guys argue whether that is "about as much" or not...Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

The US spends 73% as much as the rest of the world combined. That is incredible. Think about that. 73% of what the entire world spends on defence is spent by the US.

Yeah, we must have a pretty huge dick

Or, the US spends 42% of the total spending. ​ Total spending on what? ​ These two figures seem contradictory but I am not sure what the second one is showing?

$663,255,000,000 / ( $663,255,000,000+$904,013,600,000)Amount US spends over the total amount spent.The first number was $663,255,000,000 / $904,013,600,000The amount the US spends over what everybody else does.

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ABE:I just realize you were mistaken... Including the US in the entire world, that number should be the 42% one.42% of what the entire world spends on defence is spent by the US.The US spends 73% of what everybody else spends.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

Kinda makes me wanna change my name to: Dick Wangler