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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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In message 150 of this thread, Black Cat summarizes what he considers to be his key point. It goes as follows:
Do you see any problem with the above?
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Black Cat Junior Member (Idle past 4644 days) Posts: 28 From: Canada Joined: |
I do, that's not an accurate summary of what I wrote.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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And what suggested to you that it was intended to be an accurate summary of what you wrote?
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Straggler writes: Is absolute nothingness an "alternative reality"....? I would have thought absolute nothingness would be no reality at all? Which is pretty much what I was saying in the post further up that you replied to. The absence of everything includes the absence of all possible realities. I was saying to Paul that describing nothing as a state of reality is describing nothing as something. {Sorry, BlackCat, that was meant to be a reply to a Straggler post} Nothing also excludes all possibilities, because they are things. So, if "no reality" is a possibility, it gets excluded. So, nothing is impossible. Edited by bluegenes, : Replied to wrong post
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Possibly........
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Straggler writes: Possibly........ Nothingness also excludes doubt.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
And certainty too.....?
I guess.......
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Straggler writes: And certainty too.....? I guess....... Sure. And place and time and its own existence/being and all possible realities, and itself as a state, and itself as an alternative to something. No doubt about all that.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So what would we call the absence of even the possibility of any states of reality?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Black Cat writes:
Here's my answer - again:
Where in this sentence does Dr. Craig claim to be quoting directly?Dr. Craig writes: On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: Black Cat writes:
Why should I remember something that is not true? Remember quoting the whole sentence is not an answer to my question. "The ball is red."Which part of that sentence identifies the ball as red? "The"? No."Red"? No. "The ball"? Nope. "ball is"? Still nope. "The ball is red."? Yes! Oh no - I quoted the whole sentence. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Straggler writes: So what would we call the absence of even the possibility of any states of reality? One of the qualifications of nothingness. Mind you, the absence of everything includes the absence of qualifications. The absence of the possibility of being an alternative to something is one that's interesting, because the O.P. question is: "Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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Black Cat Junior Member (Idle past 4644 days) Posts: 28 From: Canada Joined: |
Let me rephrase my question again.
Dr. Craig writes: On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows: How does the above sentence provide support for your claim that Dr. Craig claimed to be quoting directly? It's quite evident that he's not claiming to quote directly. Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.
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Black Cat Junior Member (Idle past 4644 days) Posts: 28 From: Canada Joined: |
So when he says crane, he's referring to a probable explanation?
I don't see a difference in meaning between the following: We don't have an equivalent explanation for physics. We don't yet have an equivalent probable explanation for physics. I don't see how W.L.C damaged the accuracy or intent of his statement. If you could explain this to me I would appreciate it.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
How does the above sentence provide support for your claim that Dr. Craig claimed to be quoting directly?
So...you couldn't answer the previous ball question, then?Too difficult? Here's another for you to try:"The ball is maroon." How does the above sentence provide support for the claim that the ball is red? Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Black Cat Junior Member (Idle past 4644 days) Posts: 28 From: Canada Joined: |
I'm waiting for you to answer my question. Let me know when you're prepared to do so.
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