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Topic: Nature's innate intelligence. Does it exist?
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 150 of 303 (638297)
10-21-2011 11:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 147 by 1.61803
10-21-2011 10:51 AM
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Re: Devils Advocate...
No you are literally stating the laws of nature have innate intelligence.
But i had i accepted clearly that NATURAL LAWS ARE NOT INTELLIGENT.What do i need to say more?
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 152 of 303 (638303)
10-21-2011 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Taq
10-17-2011 11:53 AM
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You use such a broad definition of intelligence that it is reduced to nothing.
I give to the word intelligence the meaning Shapiro and Buhler give.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 153 of 303 (638305)
10-21-2011 12:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by zi ko
10-17-2011 11:53 AM
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Re: innate intelligence
McClintock quotes are describing qualities to cells using grandiose terms that don't really apply
She is a Nobel price winner.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 165 of 303 (638451)
10-22-2011 10:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 147 by 1.61803
10-21-2011 10:51 AM
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Re: Devils Advocate...
But No you are literally stating the laws of nature have innate intelligence. I have yet to see any evidence from you to support this claim. In fact your OP condenses to nothing more than saying everything has intelligence.
I s it so inessential to say that everything has a kind of intelligence, as i have defined it in advance, if this is my belief? About evidence: I do not intent to give all the answers and the evidences (!!!!) of it for all the key questions of life appearance. I am satisfied that CDR agrees with existance of innate intelligence and you and Stragler say that there is a rudimentary intelligence even in no brained animals.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 169 of 303 (638469)
10-22-2011 3:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Percy
10-22-2011 11:08 AM
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Re: Devils Advocate...
I, too, believe intelligence isn't limited solely to humans,
But what about to non brainers?
This requires some translation. I think you're asking the rhetorical question, "What's wrong with me believing everything has intelligence as I defined it?" Not exactly. I wanted to stress that my belief was a radical one that needs at least attention. On this area- borders of mysteries and life appearance , expecting evidence is hyperbolic. Somebody can talk only about beliefs and he has only very few choices. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Re: Devils Advocate...
From Guenter Albrecht-Buehler and Robert Laughlin Rea work on :CELL INTELLIGENCE CELL INTELLIGENCE is the title of the work. see OP.
But that makes your definition stupid. did you read my definition? Show me please where the stupidity is.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 174 of 303 (638538)
10-23-2011 12:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by Straggler
10-21-2011 12:50 PM
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Then you have rendered the term entirely meaningless. IT is your opinion. You disagree with my definition, but you should know that specifically on ths issue there are so many definitions on the term of intelligence.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 175 of 303 (638539)
10-23-2011 12:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by Taq
10-21-2011 12:41 PM
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Re: Devils Advocate...
Why do you need to redefine intelligence to begin with? If you have to redefine intelligence then it tells me that what you are describing as intelligent is nothing of the kind.
I t is not me that i say that a new definition is needed, but hard Darwinians and follwers of current theory.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 176 of 303 (638540)
10-23-2011 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Taq
10-21-2011 12:38 PM
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How do you determine if a reaction is intelligent or not?
In life area if it it is intenting tomaintain life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 177 of 303 (638541)
10-23-2011 12:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Percy
10-22-2011 11:08 AM
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plus I have evidence for what I believe.
What do you believe is the correct definition of intelligence (ther are too many) and what is your evidence?
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zi ko
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But that makes your definition stupid. There's nothing admirable about making up a new definition for a word so that you can makes silly claims with it.
What is your choice for intelligent definition (there are so many), and why do i have to agree with you on this issue?
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 182 of 303 (638549)
10-23-2011 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Percy
10-23-2011 1:02 PM
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Look, Zi Ko, could you at least say something that makes sense? You claim there are too many definitions of the word intelligence, yet you think the solution is to make up yet another? Percy, you know i am proposing a new hypothesis about evolution. Is it strange to you that i have no evidence in relation to this hypothesis? Otherwise it wouldn't be just a hypothesis, but a theory. In any case i have stated from the beggining that i had not evidences. As i am proposing an entirely new idea, it is natural to need new definitions about critical terms as intelligence. What is it strange about it? I can not discuss inteligently with somebody calling my theses and arguments silly ect. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 193 of 303 (638806)
10-26-2011 3:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 190 by jar
10-25-2011 5:30 PM
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Re: what stored intelligence?
Sorry but again that does not seem to support anything approaching "intelligence".
It is exactly what my so defined intelligence is. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 205 of 303 (638935)
10-27-2011 4:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 194 by Percy
10-26-2011 4:11 AM
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Re: what stored intelligence?
You're equating Shadow's quote describing cellular activity in terms of information processing as equivalent to your definition of intelligence as "everything is intelligent"? Really? You go off for three days and this is the best you can come up with, more nonsense? I didn't know definition of words was exclusive right of hard core defendants ( well known as not at least ojective) of current theory. Iam sorry.Fortunatly for me there are others as well using the same definition. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given. Edited by zi ko, : No reason given.
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zi ko
Member (Idle past 3649 days) Posts: 578 Joined: 01-18-2011
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Message 208 of 303 (638962)
10-27-2011 9:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 204 by Meddle
10-26-2011 9:11 PM
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innate intelligence
That probably doesn't make it much clearer, but what it's basically explaining is that this 'decision-making' process is nothing more than a series of protein-protein or protein-gene interactions governed by biochemical properties, intelligence not included. This also gives us insight into what he refers to on the homepage when he talks about how cells 'decide an appropriate cellular response'.
Isn't it closely my definition of intelligence? There is not only human or supernatural intelligence. There is also rudimentary basic life intelligence and thinking, based on biochemical forces and to my opinion inorganic matter intelligence expressed by universal laws.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intellectual terrorism has not any place in evolution debate forums
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