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Topic: Supreme Court upholds Obamacare
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Jon
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Message 3 of 98 (666538)
06-28-2012 12:08 PM
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Where does it Take us from Here?
I guess one question to ask is whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. What are the repercussions? The fallout? Where will this decision take us as a country?
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Message 15 of 98 (666553)
06-28-2012 1:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
06-28-2012 1:23 PM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
Would it really matter whether everyone was covered by a government-operated pool, or by a single non-profit health insurer, or even a single for-profit health insurer that operated under heavy government supervision? Does the current mandate create a 'single for-profit health insurer'?
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crashfrog in Message 9: Universal coverage means putting everyone into the same risk pool.
Is this what the mandate gives us?
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Jon
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Message 18 of 98 (666563)
06-28-2012 3:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
06-28-2012 3:12 PM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
I didn't make either of those claims. Could you elaborate? How do phrases I quoted you saying relate to the current mandate?
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Jon
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Message 19 of 98 (666564)
06-28-2012 3:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 16 by xongsmith
06-28-2012 2:12 PM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
No, it still leaves a mess. But now providers will have to use 80% of the money to actually do health care. Or something like that. But we still aren't getting the savings that a single-payer system provides by way of being the only dog in town. And this mandate doesn't get us any closer to a single-payer system. Edited by Jon, : turned the wrong phrase
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Jon
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Message 23 of 98 (666582)
06-28-2012 5:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
06-28-2012 4:45 PM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
What they relate to is Taq's message 8, which those remarks were a reply to. So how do they relate to the current mandate?
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Message 24 of 98 (666583)
06-28-2012 5:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Jazzns
06-28-2012 4:53 PM
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Re: Single payer, state by state
The mandate/medicaid expansion allows the states to do this without becoming interstate-medical-tourism shops for the uninsured. The Medicaid expansion is a nice inclusion. But it is still only effective for the poor. By the way, there has never been anything stopping the states from creating their own single-payer systems.
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Jon
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Message 31 of 98 (666602)
06-29-2012 12:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by Jazzns
06-28-2012 6:53 PM
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Re: Single payer, state by state
My understanding is also that there are some technical legal issues with the new Medicaid rules which make this much easier now which has caused some states to look at it. All we need is a couple of them to get the ball rolling and they could even form inter-state/regional pools. I'm not going to say this doesn't set wonderful precedents. But there was nothing there before that stopped states from implementing single-payer systems. They get more funding now, but they have always had the right to do as they please in this regard.
Under the ACA, the poor are essentially entitled to coverage no matter where they live. A single payer state may still be attractive in terms of lower insurance cost, which really only affects those who are paying for the premiums themselves. States can refuse Medicaid funds.
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Message 32 of 98 (666603)
06-29-2012 12:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by Taq
06-28-2012 6:46 PM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
The main fear is being forced into a system. The problem is that once forced to participate in this system, people might find all their fears validated.
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Message 36 of 98 (666617)
06-29-2012 7:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by saab93f
06-29-2012 1:39 AM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
Coming from a country with a long history of universal healthcare I am more than puzzled by the significance ot the issue. I know it is somewhat simplified but why are Americans not against socialized police forces or fire brigades? I'm not against universal socialized healthcare. And this mandate might help our country in that direction. But this mandate is not socialized healthcare. It's really just a mess. Perhaps a necessary mess for the time being; but still a mess.
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Message 38 of 98 (666624)
06-29-2012 9:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
06-29-2012 8:59 AM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
It will likely eliminate private insurers, expanding the role of government to become public insurer. Let's hope so!
It will necessarily raise the taxes of the private sector... Let's hope so!
It will ultimately lead to Canada's socialized medicine model... Let's hope so! Edited by Jon, : Added more hope...
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Message 42 of 98 (666628)
06-29-2012 9:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 41 by Buzsaw
06-29-2012 9:24 AM
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Re: Where does it Take us from Here?
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Buzsaw in Message 39: ... promises of Obama to increase taxes...
Obama's campaign promises of no tax raises I'm more than a little confused by this... Anyone else?
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Jon
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Re: The Doctors' Opinions
We kinda need the doctors in order to have healthcare... We don't need those doctors, though.
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Jon
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Re: The Doctors' Opinions
How do you know? Because political views have nothing to do with a person's medical abilities.
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Jon
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Re: The Doctors' Opinions
Wait... then how would these doctors' political views mean that we don't need them? It's not their political views that make them unnecessary, it's the fact that we don't need them that makes them unnecessary.
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