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Message 7 of 98 (666544)
06-28-2012 12:49 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by Taq
06-28-2012 12:39 PM

Re: Where does it Take us from Here?

taq writes:

I think everyone understood the political reality that we were never going to go to a government run universal health coverage system in one fell swoop. Hopefully this program is a success and will be a baby step towards universal coverage.

I don't understand how you think baby steps toward a mandated corporatist/fascist health care system will eventually take us to a socialist/governmental universal coverage. They seem to be on entirely separate paths.

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Message 11 of 98 (666549)
06-28-2012 1:17 PM

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06-28-2012 1:06 PM

Re: Where does it Take us from Here?

taq writes:

The first step is the idea that we all need to be part of the system since it affects everyone. That is what ACA does, IMO. The next step is to offer a government run health insurance option that is available to everyone (not just the poor and old). Of course, I might be a bit idealistic and overly optimistic . . . but that is how I see it.

Hmmm, . . . those steps don't seem to follow:

First: Obama introduces a mandated corporatist policy to enrich health care insurance companies (which contribute no actual health care to our system. Way to go Obama!)

Second: Then Obama will offer government run health care which would then eliminate health care insurance companies.

Taq writes:

Of course, I might be a bit idealistic and overly optimistic . . . but that is how I see it.

I might not be as overly optimistic as you.

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Message 14 of 98 (666552)
06-28-2012 1:29 PM

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06-28-2012 1:14 PM

Re: Where does it Take us from Here?

Glad to hear you're back from Thailand Crash. I hope you can now get back to the "Unpaid Work For The Unemployed thread" where you said:

Crash writes:

Flying off to Thailand for a week, guys. I'll catch up on this when I get back.

Mod made a couple of detailed posts, particularly Message 176, perhaps you now have a chance to respond?

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Message 52 of 98 (666639)
06-29-2012 10:12 AM

Reply to: Message 27 by Taq
06-28-2012 6:46 PM

Re: Where does it Take us from Here?

Taq writes:

I was thinking more of public perception and how many americans are averse to change.

Yes, you are are correct, an aversion to change is normally true. But in this particular case, I believe a majority of Americans wanted the public option. A majority WANTED CHANGE. Apparently Americans were no longer satisfied with paying high premiums and then getting their medical needs turned down by the insurance companies (death panels). Also, the millions of Americans without health care who believe that living in the world's richest nation should have access to a medical system as least as good/accessable as some third world countries, like Cuba.

Unfortunately, Obama made back-door deals with the pharmaceutical and insurance companies. Obama served the 1%'s best interests, not the 99%'s. Ponies WERE gifted.

Taq writes:

It doesn't matter at this point if it is government run or private.

Well, it seems to matter to Obama's masters, the insurance companies.

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Message 55 of 98 (666654)
06-29-2012 11:19 AM

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06-29-2012 10:55 AM

Re: Where does it Take us from Here?

Taq writes:

From the polls I remember the public option was not favored by the public,

Maybe it was more volitile/variable than I remember, but I believe polls were at one time reporting 70%. Anyways, here's one from 2009:

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October 20, 2009 - Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds

57 percent of all Americans now favor a public insurance option, while 40 percent oppose it. Support has risen since mid-August, when a bare majority, 52 percent, said they favored it. (In a June Post-ABC poll, support was 62 percent.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.../10/19/AR2009101902451.html

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