Supreme Court upholds Obamacare

Your links use data from the 1990's. Here is a report that was just released that uses data from 2011, and they conclude:

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Conclusion

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In 2011, an estimated 46,159 Canadians received nonemergency medical treatment outside Canada. In some cases, these patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology. In others, their departure will have been driven by a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability. Clearly, the number of Canadians who ultimately receive their medical care in other countries is not insignificant.

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What does it mean when the doctors are against it?Almost 90% of them think medicine is on the wrong track.
Over 80% are thinking about quitting.
Over 60% say its getting harder to adhere to the Hippocratic oath.From a recent survey of doctorsLooks bad to me.

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Here's the general concludions and key findings from an article about the survey:

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GENERAL CONCLUSIONS:

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1.Almost unanimous that medicine is on the wrong track, and overwhelmingly blame the government;
2.Government-imposed solutions (PPACA, electronic health information) destined to fail;
3.Highest numbers ever opting out of Medicare or refuse Medicaid;
4.Vacuum in leadership in medical profession, feel abandoned by AMA & organized medicine;
5.Corporate medicine (including hospital and insurance companies) is intentionally trying to destroy private practice;
6.Doctors are pessimistic - failing financially & assume things will worsen;
7.See doctors and patients as the solution - not government;
8.Believe direct payment by patients will restore accountability & patient control;
9.Restored autonomy, elimination of government involvement, increased patient responsibility and free market reforms are solutions.

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KEY FINDINGS

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90% say the medical system is on the WRONG TRACK
83% say they are thinking about QUITTING
61% say the system challenges their ETHICS
85% say the patient-physician relationship is in a TAILSPIN
65% say GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT is most to blame for current problems
72% say individual insurance mandate will NOT result in improved access care
49% say they will STOP accepting Medicaid patients
74% say they will STOP ACCEPTING Medicare patients, or leave Medicare completely
52% say they would rather treat some Medicaid/Medicare patient for FREE
57% give the AMA a FAILING GRADE representing them
1 out of 3 doctors is HESITANT to voice their opinion
2 out of 3 say they are JUST SQUEAKING BY OR IN THE RED financially
95% say private practice is losing out to CORPORATE MEDICINE
80% say DOCTORS/MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS are most likely to help solve things
70% say REDUCING GOVERNMENT would be single best fix.

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Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

So? Does that make their complaints unfounded?

Really? You berate Buz for not having a source and when a source is provided you Poison the Well. tsk tsk Which was your methodology as well. Buz made a claim that you wanted to prove wrong so you claim you refuted it by Googling up some data from ~15 years ago You forgot the biggest factor: their results don't agree with your preconceived notion. Better attack the source! Actually, a better percentage would be that of those seeking medical attention rather than that of the entire population. Of the times that people went to other countries, what percentage do you think were to the US? More than 90%? Meh. Apples and Oranges. Those countries have a fraction of the population that we do. Why? You want to poison some more wells?

You gotta be careful with any survey. For all we know, only the docs who were already pissed off were the ones who took the survey. I don't know if 4% is a good return or not. I'm not asking you to drop any skepticism.

Well, those fractions would be about 1/4 and 1/5, respectively. It seems straight forward to me that the more people you've got to take care of, the harder its going to be. Should I think otherwise?Only two countries have more people than the US; China and India (which have about 5x and 4x the population of the US, respectively) How's their healthcare rank? According to the WHO ranking, China is 144th and India 112th.

Does Germany have the same "1%" problem that the US has? What's the numbers for the people in the bottom 5% or so look like? How many poor, uneducated, and/or overweight people does Germany have? How's the environment compare? Geographical distribution? Population density?There's a shit-pile of variables... Well I disagree and I'm not just going to take your word for it. ABE Clarification: I don't mean that I disagree that comparing to China or India is apples to oranges. I disagree with the second sentence.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

I think they're still interesting. We kinda need the doctors in order to have healthcare...

How do you know?

Wait... then how would these doctors' political views mean that we don't need them?

Why?