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Dr Adequate
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Message 851 of 955 (688341)
01-21-2013 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 839 by ICANT
01-21-2013 8:36 PM


Re: lots of verbage
The democrats have placed many black people back under slavery along with a larger numbers of white people as some 49% of the population is dependent on Uncle Sam to provide money for them to buy food and goods to survive on.
Slavery is actually where you work but don't get paid for it, not where you get paid but don't work for it. That would be ... y'know ... the exact opposite.
I don't want to see where you got that 49% figure from. I am not your proctologist.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 889 of 955 (688571)
01-23-2013 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 884 by xongsmith
01-23-2013 2:18 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
So it seems that high levels of gun crime make people more likely to vote for the party that wants to curb gun crime.
Either that, or correlation is not causation.
But I guess either way, the maps, if accurate, do suggest that Democrats are more likely to be shot than Republicans. Maybe that's why Republicans are so much in favor of guns --- because they're more likely to take out Democrats.
This would be somewhat shortsighted. A statistical tendency is not a law of nature. Republicans can get shot too.
But the most peculiar thing is his conclusion. His map seems to suggest (though it does not completely prove) that Democrats are statistically more likely to be victims of gun violence. Well, if we've learned one thing from conservatives over these past few weeks, it's that the solution to gun violence is more guns. So why is he demanding that we "ban democrats from owning guns"? - when according to everything the right-wing has told us the solution would be to give them more guns?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 891 of 955 (688582)
01-23-2013 6:25 PM
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01-23-2013 2:18 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
But also, thinking it over, this is likely a crock. What are the chances that the FBI would first decide to crudely divide gun violence into "high" and "low" and then conveniently color the areas of low gun violence red and the areas of high gun violence blue?
What is the actual source of this map? Can anyone link to it?
Here's another map.
And here's some statistical correlations:
Story here, if you want to dig further.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 893 of 955 (688586)
01-23-2013 6:29 PM
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01-23-2013 6:26 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
Either that map was created using very questionable criteria in order to give a misleading picture, or it's just made up.
I'm guessing that someone just took a county by county map of votes in some election and then mislabeled it. It certainly doesn't square with figures from any reliable source, and it would explain why it's colored red and blue.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 898 of 955 (688618)
01-23-2013 10:03 PM
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01-23-2013 2:18 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
I was right.
The map on the left is actually a map of how each county voted in 2004.
See?
I guess there are some ideologies that can only be supported by lying. I'm glad I don't have one of those. Also that I know the difference between "incidents" and "incidence".
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Dr Adequate
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Message 899 of 955 (688622)
01-23-2013 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 886 by New Cat's Eye
01-23-2013 2:56 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
I dunno about that map on the right...
40% Romney is light pink while 60% Obama is blue. How did they decide which color to make the square when it could have been either one?
No, that one's OK. The legend says that the colors represent the top candidate's share of the vote, so a county is only light pink if Romney won it with 40%, Obama getting even less. If it was Romney 40%, Obama 60% it would be medium blue.
It's the map on the left that's the problem, 'cos of having nothing at all to do with gun crime.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 907 of 955 (688678)
01-24-2013 2:02 PM
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01-24-2013 1:23 AM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
Thank you, Dr. Adequate.
Sure. Let me know what your friend says.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 912 of 955 (688738)
01-24-2013 9:36 PM
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01-24-2013 7:00 PM


Re: 2-d covariance math says....wow!!
Shame on me, but it is undeniable that criminal shooting is a largely urban phenomenon in this country, and that is where the majority of Democratic voters are, the fake map notwithstanding.
As 82% of Americans live in cities, practically everything is a "largely urban phenomenon" except cow-tipping, inbreeding, and being called Ezekiel. For example, voting Republican is a "largely urban phenomenon" --- if the GOP got all or even most of their votes from the 18% of Americans who live in the country, they'd get even less of the popular vote than they do now.
However, a look at real non-made up statistics, such as I have posted above, shows that the states with the highest incidence of gun deaths are almost exclusively "red states", that there is a positive correlation between the Republican vote and gun deaths, and a negative correlation between the Democratic vote and gun deaths. Anyone with an interest in actually curbing gun deaths should think about the real statistics, rather than producing easily-debunked lies for partisan ends.

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