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Author Topic:   Black Holes Proof of Literal Hell?
hooah212002
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Message 61 of 71 (613797)
04-27-2011 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by cavediver
04-27-2011 3:39 AM


Thanks for the actual answer to a tongue-in-cheek question.


"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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Message 62 of 71 (707647)
09-29-2013 10:50 PM
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04-27-2011 1:13 PM


newbie to site and thread
yet I know the hell of which I speak, therefor I think. "The" blackholes of our universe are an image of hell, as in lake of fire.

to understand hellfire you have to understand what causes it. It is caused by the presence, of God. Since "he "exists before time was made, time is not part of the equation. For "him" to have dwelling his vector of continuation would be, in image form, as our earth's magnectic field. The end in the beginning. In "his" all powerful outflow from within "his" literal, "hole,"( read well), would be the "imput" of "his" end. A continuation of all powerful love. This defies reason and physics but so do the properties of a natural blackhole. The point being this is a field of all powerful change.(read increase). What happens when you put a conductor in a changing field in the natural. Current flows proportionantly to that power. If a soul were to be subject to "his" presence with sin in his heart, the first reaction would be fear. Now if this fear were to increase by the power of "god" it would in short order become all consuming terror, so much so, terror would become a physical event in that you would be torn from this universe. For a onlooker it would seem that you were hit by lightning. From the relativity of the one being consumed, he would be a living lightning bolt being sucked out of the universe via his own black hole. When the lightning bolt snaps that would be the end of such soul. Then his body would fall to the earth with his eyes consumed in their sockets while it stood on its feet. For those thinking this is not eternal, think on this. God says , I dwell in eternity, yet he dwells before time ever was.


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Message 63 of 71 (707650)
09-29-2013 10:55 PM
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09-29-2013 10:50 PM


Re: newbie to site and thread
Welcome!

On this site there are two separate sections. One deals with faith and belief, and the other is the science forum.

In the latter, evidence is expected for claims which are made.

You have, probably inadvertently, posted in the science forum.

Don't let this deter you from participating in this site, but be aware that you might be asked for scientific evidence to support your claims on this part of the site.


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Message 64 of 71 (707651)
09-29-2013 11:19 PM
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Re: newbie to site and thread
What happens when you put a conductor in a changing field in the natural. Current flows proportionantly to that power.

I recognize in your post that you've names a few scientific things with which I am familiar, but I what I don't recognize is a an accurate statement of fact about any of them.

Given that, what should I make of your statements about things that I cannot check?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
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If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Message 65 of 71 (707681)
09-30-2013 11:41 AM
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04-27-2011 11:37 AM


Wing commander movie. Kilrathi battleship got caught in Scylla's gravity well and went right in.
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Message 66 of 71 (707687)
09-30-2013 12:26 PM
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09-29-2013 10:50 PM


Re: newbie to site and thread
salted writes:

In "his" all powerful outflow from within "his" literal, "hole,"( read well), would be the "imput" of "his" end. A continuation of all powerful love.


Interesting play on the words "well" and "hole". God is a fountain of love, a spring of living water, etc.

However, as I understand it a black hole is more of a gravitational sink than a source. If you want to suggest that hell represents black holes, a better analogy would be going down the plug-hole. Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't use that imagery.


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Message 67 of 71 (707746)
09-30-2013 9:01 PM
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Re: newbie to site and thread
yes , I probably did post in the wrong section. Since God is not the "author of confusion", I thought people were starting to realize all time was neccessary to make all that is. Jews believe there are four steps down to this universe, intellect, creation, formation, then making. This is the made thing, before it was made it was formed, before it was formed it was in a creative state, before creation a conception. They also believe strings are the vibration of god's word maintaining the universe.

Just for interest sake, life is energy and energy can be transformed, so were is the hole in my reasoning?

When lightning neutralizes, it is in a drain.


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Message 68 of 71 (707755)
09-30-2013 10:21 PM
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09-30-2013 9:01 PM


Re: newbie to site and thread
yes , I probably did post in the wrong section. Since God is not the "author of confusion", I thought people were starting to realize all time was neccessary to make all that is.

Not your fault salted one. There is no "right" section for this stuff.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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ringo
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Message 69 of 71 (707818)
10-01-2013 11:40 AM
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09-30-2013 9:01 PM


Re: newbie to site and thread
salted writes:

Just for interest sake, life is energy and energy can be transformed, so were is the hole in my reasoning?


For a start, the premise that "life is energy" is faulty. The premise that God exists is also faulty, so any reasoning derived from it is inherently holey.
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Message 70 of 71 (707851)
10-01-2013 2:00 PM
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10-01-2013 11:40 AM


Re: newbie to site and thread
so any reasoning derived from it is inherently holey.

Probably holy too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 71 of 71 (707855)
10-01-2013 2:22 PM
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Re: newbie to site and thread
Punny.
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