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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Cedre writes: Yet a growing number of scientists are frowning upon the modern synthesis and seem to be still quite useful scientists. Really? Please support this statement with actual numbers and percentages of the relevant scientists (biologists, geneticists, paleontologists, etc.) who reject the ToE now and the actual number and percentages of the relevant scientists who rejected the ToE ten years ago. Please avoid the Gish Gallop such as you displayed in your opening post. It's frowned upon by persons with even a lttle bit of an education behind their names. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Statements don't suddenly 'evolve' to be true if you repeat them. Provide reliable evidence for your statement. This is a science forum. Read the rules.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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I'm going off topic now, but I don't think that we'll get any meaningful answers from him. Hopefully he can still surprise us.
To me it seems as if he watched a few Kent Hovind videos and doesn’t have a clue on what the Theory of Evolution actually is. From that I think that he will confuse everything from the Big Bang to the Aztec Empire with the Theory of Evolution. Anyway, here we go.
RAZD writes: Seeing that he's in Namibia, I think a great question to ask him is: Have you seen a new continent form? Do you think plate tectonics is bogus because this has not been observed? Did you see the beautiful Brandberg form? Do you think geology is bogus because we didn't see the mountain form?Do you think science is bogus because, even though nobody saw Brandberg forming nor can recreate another Brandberg, geologists can’t study Brandberg itself, as well the relationships with the surrounding rocks; and conclude that Brandberg was formed as an igneous intrusion? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
To me it seems as if he's is a troll. He claims to be from Namibia, but the only Medical School in Namibia is at the University of Namibia, started in 2011. They expect to have their first graduates in 2014, but the name G. Gaseb doesn't appear anywhere on their lists.
Apart from that, he didn't even attempt to answer basic questions about Namibia. My guess is that he's some 'student' at one of the unaffiliated American fundamentalist Colleges who looked up the word Namibia on the net. Then he encountered the surname "Gaseb". One of them was involved as a defendant in a prominent court case. Then he pretended to be a Gaseb and then also pretended to be a medical student from Namibia. The dishonesty displayed by those fundamentalist Biblical College students in the US know no bounds. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I can't see anyone you mentioned having any qualification in anything related to the relavant sciences. Life sciences.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Bolder-dash, so you mean out of the 187 900 life-science scientists in the US in 2008, (with PhD's on the subject) , you could only name a few scientists with no related fields of expertise?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
NoNukes writes
NoNukes writes: I agree. I think what Faith was trying to say is that we are unlikely to find a cow skeleton down there even if the earth were only 6000 years old and that we have deliberately picked something difficult to find. I disagree. She's talking nonsense. In a major global flood described by them, we would expect to find some cow skeletons amongst the fish. Remember, in a major flood, as postulated by creationists, there would be no boundary between oceanic 'layers' and continental 'layers' . In the case of a global flood, we would expect to find trilobite and cow fossils 'intermingling'. Everywhere. It's never found. Cows sould be found in the same layer as trilobites according to them. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Well, I won't be surprised if American Fundie College kids are taught:
Namibia/Russia, same evil place. They all vote for that gay Muslim Communist Obama Although, him being in Russia might explain the biology teacher he claimed to have had. Probably trained in the Lysenko era.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Crocoduck is a typical straw man argument.
From Wiki:
To be successful, a straw man argument requires that the audience be ignorant or uninformed of the original argument. It won't work on you, but it works on millions of people who don't know what the ToE actually is.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Faith writes: Land animals don't occur in the Precambrian though some do in higher layers but mammals not until the highest. OK? Nope. The first fossils of what be can be classified as mammals (with lots of reptilian features) appear in the mid-Triassic. They occur in terrestrial deposits. There's no fixed boundary between mammals and reptiles in the fossils record. We get a record of fossils with reptilian features grading into fossils with mammalian features as we go up in the stratigraphy of the Karoo Sequence. By the way, have you figured out what the Clarens Formation entails yet? Have you studied those biozones? I know you won't find it in creationist literature, but you will find it in the scientific literature. Lets give you a hint; the members of the Clarens Formation straddle the boundary between the Triassic and the Jurassic. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: Well, actually it does occur to me to wonder why so many of some kinds of animals aren't in some of the strata, but I also wonder how well represented they are in the strata where they supposedly ARE found. I don't find this sort of information to be readily available. Maybe it's because you don't read any scientific literature. When was the last time you even tried to get hold of the South African Journal of Geology? Do you expect someone to knock on your door every Sunday morning and deliver a copy the South African Journal of Geology for free? Maybe it's because you just read creationist websites and your favourite Holy Books? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: So mammals are found in the Triassic, fine, give me a layer where they aren't found that isn't as low as the Precambrian. Your question doesn't make any sense. Do you mean from an earlier period than the Triassic? I'll try to answer it, though. In the Ordovician we don't find any mammals. The Ordovician is younger than the Precambrian and older than the Triassic. In my country the Ordovician is represented by quite a few formations ( and members of formations, for example the lower members of the Cape Supergroup and the Natal Group with the Durban Member very prominent ). These contain fossils, but no fossils of mammals. The Beit Bridge Kimberlites also are of that age, but obviously Kimberlites are highly unlikely to contain fossils. Did I answer your questions? Of course we can still discuss the members of the Clarens Formation if you're up to it (it straddles the Triassic-Jurassic boundary) . Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: No, I mean from lower down in the strata than the "Triassic." Nope. Actually lots of Triassic strata outcrop.
Faith writes: It is interpretive mystification to discuss layers of rocks in terms of time periods. Nope. Boreholes. Actually, we do have over 60 000 boreholes studying and describing every millimeter of those cores. That's apart form all the geophysics, geochemistry, etc. You can do yourself. All published for everyone else to see and evaluate. You're welcome to do all those tests, yourself.
Faith writes: The actual physical facts have to do with layers of sediments with fossilized dead things in them. Time periods are a fictional overlay. Nope. They're there. You can go and see where those rocks outcrop. You can go and drill. You can go on and describe those cores. Yourself. You can even do the mapping of outcrops, geophysics, drilling holes, everything, yourself!
Faith writes: Actually, you need to find a modern mammal in the Ordovician to do that.
OK, then let's make finding a mammal in the Ordovician the falsifiability test. It's still a bit like flying pigs but better than the Precambrian. Faith writes: Actually, a flying pig would falsify the ToE, even if you find a flying pig. now.
It's still a bit like flying pigs but better than the Precambrian. Faith writes: I invited you to tell us about this formation, saying I'd really like to hear about it, but you never responded. The invitation still stands. Sure. Have you ever touched a 'rock' from the Clarens Formation? Which borehole core have you studied?
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes:
Publish your research and convince all those tens of thousands of profesional geologists of that as they find the geological time scale very, very helpful. And all the Geology Departments in every University in the world. And all those mining companies. The Geologic Timescale is over and done with, kaput. Just be aware; you might be laughed at in your face, by every single one of them.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: There are lots of reasons for deposition to stop. For example, ever heard of erosion? And again there is no reason for it to ever stop forming on the land anyway... You should read up on what the geological time sheet is and read up on what a geological column is before you keep on making such a fool of yourself. Also do some studies on the Kalahari Group, the Algoa Group, the Sandveld Group and the Maputaland Group to name but a few. Faith writes: The geological time table is not a theory. ... if the timetable theory is correct. Let me help you a little bit: The geologic time sheet represents units of time. Not of rocks. Edited by Pressie, : Added a sentence and spelling
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