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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The vast majority are law abiding citizens, like gun owners. Why don't you stand up for their rights?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I knew if I waited you would make my point for me.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Oh I thought you were a Christian. Or do you selective follow the tenets of your religion?
Lets see your argument.Guns owners should not face regulations because some of them are bad. Moslems should be discriminated against, not just because some of them are bad, because they are all bad. Did I get that right?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
You do realize we can read what you posted earlier don't you?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
No one is disputing that. Just not sure what that has to do with the argument for some reasonable gun laws.
But according to your own words you want to outlaw Islam, though the vast majority of the followers of Islam are law abiding citizens. Looking at it rationally, one might be able to conclude that the percentage of law abiding Moslems is higher than the percentage of law abiding gun owners.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of your argument.
I know much more about Islam than you. I have read and studied the quran. I have debated with moslems. Islam is no more a religion of murder than christianity.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Was attempting to point out that her argument that
"The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding" is specious and hypocritical on her part. She took it as an opportunity to attack Islam. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
ut if anyone was arguing that gun owners as a group are bad I guess I missed it. We don't want to regulate guns because gun owners are bad, because gun owners are not bad. We want to regulate guns for the same reason we regulate most things, for the greater good. Guns are dangerous to everyone in the vicinity, and regulating them reduces that danger.
Yes agreed. No one has argued that all gun owners are bad. Faith is saying guns should not be regulated because the majority of gun owners are good people. The point i was making didn't even need to go to the next step that we regulate guns because guns, in and of themselves, are dangerous. I was simply pointing out the flaw of making decisions solely based on the group of people. As you say
If I were to rephrase your position but in general terms in my own words I'd note that it's inconsistent to render judgment on all of some groups but not all of others, and then point out that it's senseless to judge entire groups anyway. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
How does the fact most gun owners are law abiding invalidate the need for sensible gun laws?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The Revolutionary War was preached and fought by Christian pastors who took their guns to church with them and were among the first to fight when the war began.
Examples please. During the Revolutionary War and prior, gun ownership was very low. Muskets were to expensive for the average person. Handguns were almost nonexistent.
quote:Spiking the Gun Myth As a matter of fact prior to civil war gun ownership was very rare. Most of what people think they know about gun ownership in the first century of the USA is a myth. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Gun owners are smarter than that and they DO think about the accidents that could occur.
You do not know many people do you.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I'm sure you've heard of the Black Robe Regiment? That was the name given to the war-preaching pastors by Great Britain, who considered their influence to have been a major factor in their losing the war. How many had guns is not really the point.
Yes it is the point.
Some merely preached in favor of the war, but some did possess muskets.
So your whole idea that everyone was armed seems to be destroyed. Instead of links to conspiracy websites maybe you should try real historians.Teachinghistory.org There is a lot of myth about Muhlenberg.
quote:Peter Muhlenberg - Wikipedia http://www-tc.pbs.org/...s/2011-05-13/505_muhlenbergrobe.pdf THere is nothing prior to 1849 that corroborates the story of the sermon. Nothing you posted here talks at all about gun ownership in the colonial/revolution era. Want to try again?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Years ago nobody thought twice about people having guns, it was normal.
When? Where?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
We had a gun range at school in NE Pennsylvania in the 1970's. It was strictly 22 caliber. Our rifles shot 22 shorts. There were no guns in the hallways. We sused school issued rifles that were locked up at the range.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9208 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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and try to figure out how to interrupt the sequence from that side? Focus on the pawn shops and the black market perhaps.
Because the gun lobby fights all attempts at this. That is the core of the unregulated gun sale problem.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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