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The vast majority are law abiding citizens, like gun owners. Why don't you stand up for their rights?

I knew if I waited you would make my point for me.

Oh I thought you were a Christian. Or do you selective follow the tenets of your religion?Lets see your argument.
Guns owners should not face regulations because some of them are bad. Moslems should be discriminated against, not just because some of them are bad, because they are all bad.Did I get that right?

You do realize we can read what you posted earlier don't you?

No one is disputing that. Just not sure what that has to do with the argument for some reasonable gun laws.But according to your own words you want to outlaw Islam, though the vast majority of the followers of Islam are law abiding citizens. Looking at it rationally, one might be able to conclude that the percentage of law abiding Moslems is higher than the percentage of law abiding gun owners.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of your argument.I know much more about Islam than you. I have read and studied the quran. I have debated with moslems.Islam is no more a religion of murder than christianity.

Was attempting to point out that her argument that
"The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding"
is specious and hypocritical on her part. She took it as an opportunity to attack Islam.

Yes agreed. No one has argued that all gun owners are bad. Faith is saying guns should not be regulated because the majority of gun owners are good people. The point i was making didn't even need to go to the next step that we regulate guns because guns, in and of themselves, are dangerous. I was simply pointing out the flaw of making decisions solely based on the group of people. As you say

How does the fact most gun owners are law abiding invalidate the need for sensible gun laws?

Examples please. During the Revolutionary War and prior, gun ownership was very low. Muskets were to expensive for the average person. Handguns were almost nonexistent.

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while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

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Spiking the Gun Myth
As a matter of fact prior to civil war gun ownership was very rare.
Most of what people think they know about gun ownership in the first century of the USA is a myth.

You do not know many people do you.

Yes it is the point. So your whole idea that everyone was armed seems to be destroyed.Instead of links to conspiracy websites maybe you should try real historians.
Teachinghistory.orgThere is a lot of myth about Muhlenberg.

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According to a biography written by his great nephew in the mid-19th century,.[2] on January 21, 1776 in the Lutheran church in Woodstock, Virginia, Reverend Muhlenberg took his sermon text from the third chapter Ecclesiastes, which starts with "To every thing there is a season..."; after reading the eighth verse, "a time of war, and a time of peace," he declared, "And this is the time of war," removing his clerical robe to reveal his Colonel's uniform. Outside the church door the drums began to roll as men turned to kiss their wives and then walked down the aisle to enlist, and within half an hour, 162 men were enrolled.[3] The next day he led out 300 men from the county to form the nucleus of the 8th Virginia Regiment. Though it is accepted that Muhlenberg helped form and lead the 8th, historians doubt the account of the sermon, as there are no reports prior to Muhlenberg's great-nephew's biography.

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Peter Muhlenberg - Wikipedia
http://www-tc.pbs.org/...s/2011-05-13/505_muhlenbergrobe.pdf
THere is nothing prior to 1849 that corroborates the story of the sermon.Nothing you posted here talks at all about gun ownership in the colonial/revolution era. Want to try again?

When? Where?

We had a gun range at school in NE Pennsylvania in the 1970's. It was strictly 22 caliber. Our rifles shot 22 shorts. There were no guns in the hallways. We sused school issued rifles that were locked up at the range.

Because the gun lobby fights all attempts at this. That is the core of the unregulated gun sale problem.