Another one that hurts

Another thing. This idiotic idea that Islam can "reform" the way Christianity supposedly reformed. This is a ridiculous misreading of history and of the forces behind Islam. The Christian Reformation RESTORED Christianity to its original form after centuries of usurpation by the corrupted Roman church with its pagan and worldly practices. They DID murder those who rejected its false teachings including the true Christians who died by the tens of millions during the Inquisition.The Reformation went far to undoing all that and restoring the peaceable merciful religion of Christ. The Reformation, incidentally, also arose in the last stages of the period when Islam was encroaching on Europe so really it put a halt to the world ambitions of both the RCC and of Islam. But now we are losing our true Christianity again, so that both Islam and the RCC are regaining power in the world. As I said earlier in the thread, if Europe would return to their Reformation faith they could put a stop to the suicide bombings.The point is that Islam was never a peaceable merciful religion, it was always dedicated to forcing conversions at the point of the sword and murdering anyone who dissented. It could only reform by changing and giving up its written "holy" books, whereas Christianity reformed by returning to the Bible.I tell you all this only to get figuratively beheaded again. It's so much fun.ABE: Reread some posts and see that Tangle thinks reforming Christianity is making it liberal. Oy. Funny, I thought the word referred to the Reformation, my mistake. In other words he wants us to give up the basics of the religion, which is what liberalism does, to conform to the world. Well, it's been happening and it will serve the New World Order Religion of the Antichrist just fine, but it's no Reformation. And as far as getting Islam to "reform" in the liberal directiom goes, good luck with that. Their fundamentalists, unlike Biblical fundamentalists, just kill them. Biblical fundamentalists, on the other hand, tend to be the ones who GET killed. That's what happened during the RCC persecutions. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I get the numbers from out of print books mostly. There is really no way to know the numbers but it might be best just to talk in terms of victims of RCC persecution rather than the Inquisition per se, which was just an official form of it. Whole communities were wiped out, and the numbers may also include victims of the persecution that were tortured but didn't die. The main study of the numbers now is
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.html and he ends up accepting the larger numbers reported in the old books.

To have seen no evidence of a problem with Islam is to be completely out of touch Phat. So you are unaware of the ongoing persecutions and murders of Christians in Africa and other Muslim areas? This is well known in Christian circles though there is the usual PC media downplaying of such things. However, even the Huffington Post has reported on it at times.Sure there are Muslims who have adapted to the west, and there are Muslims who have superficially adapted but could be persuaded by knowing more about their own religion to commit jihad themselves. You are wrong though, Islam IS the source of the problem, not juist the evil human heart which you and I have too.ABE: Fortunately most of those billion Muslims either don't know all their religion or aren't inclined to follow the violence in it, but that doesn't change the fact that the violence IS in it and can capture adherents from who knows where at any time. Moderate Muslims need to acknowledge this but it's very rare for them to do so.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And you have a head count? Can we know it please?Would some pictures help? Here's one. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You're not getting it, Coyote. Rattlesnakes need love too, and this is all about love PC style. Safety? Nah, We'll just be extra nice to them and help them overcome their despair and they'll be good to us too, just one big happy family. Besides, what's a few rapes and suicide bombings in the great scheme of things anyway. I mean the incidence is negligible.If they outnumber us and we all come under Sharia law that's OK too, cultures are really all the same anyway you know, except that western civilization is evil evil evil, haven't they been telling us that since the sixties? Oh maybe you weren't around that far back when they were chanting Western Civ has got to go. Funny, you know, it's pretty much gone now but a few million more Muslims should really seal the deal if there's any question.. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It is not the Christian thing to do for governments to force their citizens to perform any kind of charity against their will. God loves a cheerful giver, not a coerced giver, but the whole Marxist PC game is coercing people against their will.Now you would be doing the Christian thing if you invited a refugee family into your home and put yourself out for them. You let us know when you've done your Christian duty now.

Spoken like a true multiculturalist.

To put the innocent citizens of a nation in danger by inviting in tens to hundreds of thousands of hostile foreigners, a quarter of whom think it's a good thing to blow up the citizens of said nation, you bet it's against my will.

Actually I think the Arab ountries should take more of them.The Washington Post said a while back now, The Arab world’s wealthiest nations are doing next to nothing for Syria’s refugees .

I'm all in favor of helping out people who need it, what bothers me in this case is that Muslims ARE ticking bombs for joining the jihad, and at the very least are not inclined to oppose those who engage in it.If you personally want to help, do it, that's the Christian thing to do, since all you nonChristians are bragging about how more Christian you are than Christians are, but 1} forced charity is not charity so do it yourself and don't coerce your neighbor into it, and that means all heads of state instead of imposing this burden on their citizens;and 2) the Samaritan was not dealing with a potentially dangerous needy person and so far nobody on your side is addressing this unfortunate reality in the case of Muslims.You also seem to be blind to the stated objectives of Islam, which include bringing about the world caliphate by POPULATING FOREIGN NATIONS with Muslims. Instead of denying the real problems that have occurred with Muslims in foreign countries, and pretending this is just a matter of people needing help, you'd have more credibility if you addressed these real concerns. Such as the roughly 25% opinion among them that it's good to blow up "infidels," and so on.How about considering OTHER ways of being a good Samaritan to the refugees without forcing them on people their religion objects to? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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John Quincy Adams: Winston Churchill: It's ideology that drives the believers in Islam, not circumstances, not political circumstances, not economic circumstances, not human qualities or lack of them, just the ideology. You can't deal with an ideology by focusing on circumstances, or by reasoning with its adherents on the basis of any philosophical or moral system outside that ideology.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Why your sources should be any more trustworthy than Robert Spencer escapes me but who cares anyway. Even if it's by someone else, and again, I have no reason to trust your source, it's nevertheless the truth about Islam.But of course anything to distract from that truth.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not ironic, it's false and that's why I left it out. Christianity has God to defend us, we certainly don't need science.But as usual you lie about the Christian view of science. We do not regard evolution as science. True science is held by Christians in high esteem.So stop lying about us.

You are a liar. Robert Spencer is not a Christian, he's a Jew, and rather than lying I'm sure his sources made a mistake. And I did follow the link you gave. It went to a Wikipedia statement about Blunt. In any case it's the truth about Islam, which is the main point here, and distracting from it is lying, and calling people who make mistakes liars is also lying.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.