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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes: quote:So what DOES hold our universe together? Mysterious 'dark matter' predicted to | Daily Mail Online NoNukes writes: I am not capable of explaining dark matter and dark energy to you. Feel free to say anything about them that you like. I won't interfere. Sorry you don't feel like discussing dark matter so I will see what I can do. Dark matter is the name given to a unknown, unobserved, thus non existent substance that has been proposed to explain the existence of an observed phenomenon. The calculations regarding the universe just don't add up without something(that is called dark matter). Thus a little something is required to prop up the standard theory again. The supernatural power that is required to provide all the energy and mass that constitutes the universe since it had to have a beginning to exist, as it could not have existed eternally in the past, fits nicely as a power that could cause the universe to consist. Col. 1:7. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
But natural powers have to have something to exist in like the universe. The universe has not always existed. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Pressie,
Pressie writes: Why would a natural power have to begin to exist? Do you know of any natural power that exists outside of the universe? If not then any natural power that now exists had to have a beginning to exist according to the BBT. There are a couple of hypothesis that has been proposed to get around the universe having a beginning to exist. But no theory. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Kbertsche,
kbertsche writes: First, I agree with you that dark matter is "unknown, unobserved", but this does NOT mean that it is "non existent". Even though we cannot observe it, we can observe its gravitational effects, as Admin noted (and this should remind you of a passage in John 3). You can observe what is called gravitational effects on something. I haven't found anyone yet that can tell me what gravity is. They can give me examples of the effects of what is called gravity. Dark matter is what is supposed to be necessary to make the adjustment for the lack of mass to make gravity work in the universe. Like keep the galaxies clumped together.
kbertsche writes: But I would caution you against trying to equate either dark matter or dark energy with God Himself. I do not equate God with anything, as there is nothing equal to God. I say God supplied the energy that is necessary to hold the universe together. If He were to remove the energy that holds it together every quark would fly apart at the speed of light. That would be some awesome fireworks display.
kbertsche writes: I would suggest that the same is true of dark matter and dark energy. I think we will find increasing evidence for these "substances". And as a Christian, I believe these "substances" can be viewed as our human description of how God causes the universe to function and to expand. Whenever you are anyone else finds out what makes gravity work you will find the laws that was put in place when the universe began to exist by the Supernatural power I mentioned in my first post which I call God. FYI The universe is expanding because that Supernatural power I call God streached it out. Isaiah 51:13, Jeremiah 10:12 These verses were recorded over 2,000 years before mankind got smart enough to figure out that the universe was expanding. The one in Isaiah is also in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yea I know I have been told the Bible is not a science book, therefore does not contain scientific information. I wonder how the writers of those 2 books knew the universe (heavens) were being stretched out. They were stating scientific facts. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Pressie,
Pressie writes: Do you know of any supernatural powers that exist outside of the universe? Yes, my best friend. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Cat,
Cat writes: At what point in time did the universe not exist? And how do you know? Not long ago you told me that time was a part of the universe. You have told me that time is a dimension in the universe. That means time could not exist until the universe began to exist. Conclusion: Time being a part of the universe and inside of the universe the universe does not exist in time. Time exists inside of the universe. Have you changed your mind about time being a part of the universe? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi NoNukes,
NoNukes writes: To whom did you pose your question? The question does have an answer. Quacks on the internet. As well as Google searches. I notice you didn't take time to explain it. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: ICANT will occasionally refer to God as his friend or his best friend. Sometimes it's Jesus. I've found it confusing, too The only confusion is caused by the early disciples not being able to understand that the child that Mary called Jesus was supposed to have been called Emanuel which means God with us. Jesus and God are one and the same. That is the reason the Jews killed Jesus, because He claimed to be God.
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Mod,
Mod writes: If time did not exist there was no time in which one can exist in, in order to wait 'until' time existed. If time's existence starts at the Big Bang, then there was no before it. So how would time begin to exist inside of the universe?The universe did not exist yet for time to begin to exist in. Without existence existing there would be no place for either to be, or come into existence. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Cat,
Cat writes: And you told me that time was a duration between events based on the position of the Earth to the Sun. But your conclusion contradicts that. Are you now arguing that the time that is said to be the fourth dimension of the universe and the time that measures duration between events are one and the same?
quote: The time being discussed here is the one that is said to be a dimension of the universe. It has nothing to do with duration between events.
Cat writes: By the way, gravity is the result of the curvature of spacetime by mass. I thought it was said that the tug between two large masses warps spacetime. That tug is said to be gravity. So gravity does not exist as a result of the curvature of spacetime. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Pressie,
Pressie writes: (By the way, I object to you calling me your best friend. Are you that illiterate? I answered your question with "YES" meaning I know a supernatural power outside of the universe. I then called that entity "MY BEST FRIEND". So you are correct I don't know you from Adam's house cat and you are not my best friend. My wife of 58 years is my second best friend and has been since we met 61 years ago. But my wife did not die that I could have eternal life. The Supernatural Power I call God did do that by coming down to earth and taking on Himself a human body we call Jesus and go to the cross and be crucified paying a ransom to buy me back out of the bondage that the man formed from the dust of the ground sold me into when he disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi NoNukes,
I read all the links you gave and I can not find in any of them what gravity is. They talk about gravity, 'a pull' that one large mass has on another large mass which causes spacetime to be warped, however, the distribution of matter and energy is in turn governed by the curvature of space. Which complicates things. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi NoNukes,
UPDATE I found an article at: http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/.../questions/question30.html Which says it is : The StarChild site is a service of the High Energy Astrophysics Science Archive Research Center (HEASARC), Dr. Alan Smale (Director), within the Astrophysics Science Division (ASD) at NASA/ GSFC. They are answering the question of: "What is gravity?"
quote: Then they go on to discuss what is known. But there is still no answer as to, what is gravity? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: C'mon, ICANT. Seriously? You really didn't understand that Pressie thought you were addressing him when you said "my best friend"? Seriously, I did understand Pressie to say I was addressing him. Perssie said:
quote: What part of that statement did I not understand? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Pressie,
Pressie writes: I still take exception to his answer. He devalues friendship. He believes that a Spook is his best friend. To you the Supernatural Power that supplied all the energy and mass that is now our universe may be a spook, But that Supernatural Power is my best friend. He has saw me through times in my life when I needed a friend. He has provided me with talents that have sustained my life for the past 76 years. He also made provisions that I can spend the balance of eternity with Him. I know Him on a personal basics, I talk to Him and He gives me the answers to life's problems. I don't expect you or anyone else here that is not born again to understand anything I have written in the paragraph. But that is OK and if you are offended at my personal belief in this Supernatural Power so be it. I have had too many experiences in this life where that Supernatural Power interceded in my life for me to doubt His existence. It is much easier to believe in the Supernatural Power that has existed eternally in the past than to believe 2 branes bumped together in non existence and caused the universe to exist. Or that an instanton appeared in non existence and caused the universe to exist. Now those things are magical and spooky to me. Not only that but they are impossible as non existence is simply that, non existence. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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