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Author | Topic: 2014 was hotter than 1998. 2015 data in yet? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Um Guys why so fixed on solar power, wind power is also good, and germany does have a tone of those wind turbines. But my best gues for the future of power would be torium reacors given the abundence of torium on the planet it should be cheap as hell. It should be also much safer then the curent uranium reactors.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes: Yip. That's why solar power is a good weather friend. On bad days they still rely on nuclear from France and coal from Poland to keep up with their electricity demand.
And Germany gets literally 500% more solar power on a clear day (though they are rare)than the average day.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Fraco writes: You are so right. I'm working on extracting Thorium from the Wits at the moment. It's the way to go. It's abundant and safe. The Engineers are trying to work on how to extract and save that energy for when needed. Baseline energy is what is needed. But my best gues for the future of power would be torium reacors In the meantime combinations of coal and nuclear and solar and wind will do the job for the next 30 to 40 years but after that its bound to be different as technology changes. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
South Africa, with all it's different regions and climatic zones from Mediteranian to sub-tropical, suffered it's driest year on record.
From my personal experience, Pretoria was the hottest it's ever been. On the stoep in front of my house my thermometer measured 43 degrees C with around 80% humidity for weeks. The hottest ever on my stoep. The last time we recorded any rain in my garden was on the 24th of December 2014. And, it's been confirmed that 42.5 degrees C three weeks ago has officially been the hottest ever recorded since records began in the city centre and surroundings. It dates back more than more than a hundred years. Our first rain this year started on the 7th of January 2016. We've been going along without any rain for a year and recorded record temperatures. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Denmark just broke a record this year they got 42% of their power from wind.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Denmark just broke a record this year they got 42% of their power from wind. And how much electricity is that?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
And have you been experiencing any civil wars lately?
Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
And that didn't help Syria, ... Well no, because other people's energy consumption doesn't really do Syria any good.
Then get a solar array and invest in the future of energy. Much like I know the future of clothing isn't me making my own pants, I am very sure the future of electricity isn't me generating my own.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
coal and gas seem to be the same utility-scale price as solar. It is nonsense to claim solar and fossil fuels to be on the 'same utility-scale'. Fossil fuels generate power nonstop, every second, every hour, every day of the year; whenever, wherever, as much as can be desired. Renewable energy shows up when it feels like it as much as it wants - maybe. Fossil fuels currently account for almost 70% of U.S. energy generation; solar less than 1%. To say they operate on the same 'scale' is delusional. And your praise for Texas is humorous:
See the big ass red blob at the bottom of that map? That's Texas - coal capital U.S.A. You'd think with the price of solar 'so low' sunny-ville Texas would switch over already. I wonder what's holding them back... Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I've had a lot of good laughs reading through this thread so far. Here 're some of the things I find funny...
First, LamarkNewAge made the claim that: "It would only take a few square miles of solar panels (on top of roofs) to fuel the energy needs of the entre state [of Maryland]" (Message 32). That's a big claim, so it wasn't surprising when somewhere in the discussion, 'energy' switched to 'electricity'. But where the laughs really started coming was when the evidence presented to support this amounted to demonstrating that a city in Maryland representing less than 2% of the state's total population was able to offset (not directly fuel) about 25% of its electricity use with solar generation (Message 87). Oh, and it was maybe just a coincidence that they managed this as the second richest county in the country (or probably not). Funny shit. But then Dr Adequate chimed in singing the praises of Germany (Message 95) - which is the top installer of solar panels in the world - only to be shown that in spite of all this, Germany meets less than a tenth of its electricity demand with solar power, or about enough to make up for what the U.S. loses in transmission (Message 97). Finally we heard that if anything is proof that we can all do solar, it's the fact that Texas can do solar (Message 100)- Texas, the sunny southern state that generates more power burning coal than any other state in the Union (Message 114). Since the initial claims about solar's amazing capabilities were first laid down, they have been revised and lessened to the point where all anyone's able to say is that 'solar power can provide some energy some of the time and a certain cost'. So yes, this thread has been roller coaster of retracted exaggerations and dreamy idealism when it comes to renewable energy - enough to make anyone laugh (and be thankful they don't have to wait for the sun to come up to cook breakfast). Edited by Jon, : Links, typos, and other bad things...Love your enemies! |
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Jon writes: Not yet, but we have experienced people dying from heat exhaustion in lines while waiting for their quota of water they could get from army water trucks for free. 50 liters a day per family. Huge lines of people with no money. Waiting for days in line. And dying in line. And have you been experiencing any civil wars lately? On different army trucks people could pay around pay around R8 per 20 litres. Which is a pittance for some people, but those guys waiting in the poor line line could't afford that pittance. They died because they couldn't afford water. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
About 5000 MW but the plan is to be covered 100% by 2050, does the us have any plan to become energy independent by 2050
Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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2015 is warmest year on record, NOAA and NASA say
quote: That last bit should be the nail on the denial coffin, but we can expect Inhofe to bring in a snowball from this weekend's storm ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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We have listened to the deniers.
They kept telling us (well all sorts of diverse things, but some of what they said was) "the earth isn't warming" then Mueller (once a skeptic) did a big Koch-funded study and found out that the temperatures really were increasing (not due to urban heat islands and flawed measurements). Then they said "warming stopped in the latter half of the 1990s". We have seen that isn't the case. (re the evidence this week -2015 data - and the evidence almost a year ago today which showed final refined 2014 numbers) These tend to be the same people that tell us that Solar is unreliable while petroleum is a reliable, stable source of energy. (Actually home energy prices won't much drop - despite oil falling from $145 per-barrel a year ago to $27 today - BECAUSE our plants don't use middle eastern oil DUE TO UNRELIABLE PRICING!)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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(Actually home energy prices won't much drop - despite oil falling from $145 per-barrel a year ago to $27 today - BECAUSE our plants don't use middle eastern oil DUE TO UNRELIABLE PRICING!) And because there is little pressure to reduce rates. Solar and wind are available but require higher initial investment than continuing to pay utilities, and most people take the 'lazy' do nothing path. I am now another month with $0 electric bill, and my meter is holding steady at net usage since installation well below zero. But these are supposed to be the tough months with low winter sun and short days. I lost 2 days to snow on the panels, and we are expecting a big storm this weekend (with storm surge on top of lunar high tide, could be a lot of flooding and wind damage). One advantage of having the array at ground level is that you can clean the panels easily: I have some smaller panels going to batteries that I clean and set to optimum angles. But my installation is scale-able: certainly my neighbors can put up a similar installation. If every new house were required to be net zero utility cost it would substantially reduce grid peak usage, and it would be a small fraction of the cost of a new house. Similar was done with low volume toilets to save on water utility usage. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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