|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: The Bundys and the Armed Occupation of a National Wildlife Refuge | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
There comes a time when lying becomes so ingrained that they can not even tell when they are lying to themselves as well as everyone else. The easiest person to fool is yourself + it is easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled. A recipe for gullible people to willingly court disaster. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
More:
quote: About time. Now round up the other children. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Actually, the Grant County sheriff, Glen Palmer is a supporter of the Bundys as is the Baker County Sheriff Travis Ash. Ash is also a posse comitatus wingnut. This does not surprise me, and it explains the hands-off policy of local officials. It seems a lot of police officers and comand\management people are aligned with questionable associations -- see
Activist Hackers Release KKK Names After Threats Against Ferguson Protesters It would be interesting to see them do the same with militia groups. Strange that a volunteer organization is doing something that should be done by the FBI ... unless the FBI ... /conspiracy Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
First rule of an occupation is that you've got to actually occupy the place, rather than just calling dibs on it. You mean like this?
Or do you mean that periodic visits to download their demands don't count ...? by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Bundy asks occupiers to stand down. More arrests while others leave.
End of the occupation? Guess they'll have to roll up their pants ... "Not with a bang, but a whimper ... " by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
And since they were part of a group action it's likely they can individually be held accountable for any actions of the groups. ... And because the felonies were committed with the use of guns they will now fail background checks. Which raises the question whether they can legally posses weapons. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If they are convicted felons I would think not. A silver lining. As long as they don't let them plea-bargain their way out of this. Hopefully they will be charged with more than they have been arrested on. Presumably a grand jury will be convened to determine if the evidence is sufficient to proceed with trials, and they could consider a number of different charges not in the works yet -- as in the grand jury in texas returned indictments of the Planned Parenthood video hoaxters/frauds. Should be interesting. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hopefully they'll round up the last 4 without incident. They can coral them in a small area and wait them out or pick them up one by one.
Shut off their access to phones and internet and visitors. And watch them with drones 24/7 ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
The FBI releases video of LaVoy Finicum's fatal confrontation with law enforcement to dispel rumors
The FBI has released video tonight of the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum to dispel any rumors that he had had his hands up and was trying to surrender to police. The FBI’s Special Agent in Charge Gregory T. Bretzing held a press conference to explain the events surrounding the arrest of Ammon Bundy (and others), along with the fatal shooting of LaVoy Finicum. Finicum can be seen running from the initial stop in his pick-up truck, with passengers Ryan Payne, Shawna Cox and a woman the FBI declined to identify. The video was captured by aerial camera and shows Finicum driving into a snow back, barely missing a law enforcement officer. He immediately jumped from the vehicle, at first with his hands up as he yelled at law enforcement, but then clearly reaching into his pocket multiple times, where the FBI says he did have a gun (update: a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.) The video can be viewed below, with key parts from 8:00 to 9:35 mark (graphic content): [/quote] And starting at the 8 minute mark when Finicum drives off from the traffic stop (preceding video is rather boring):
He puts his hands down and reaches into his pockets before being shot. Nuff said. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
Where should the militias make their next stand?
The short answer is that they shouldn't, but it would be difficult to convince them that they are delusional, so
quote: And you have to be relatively stupid, imho, to create a stand-off situation for petulant reasons.
quote: To me it looks like the militia "movement" is just an excuse to walk around with big guns and play war games, looking for some excuse to create a standoff but in the end not achieving a single thing of note. They -- and the closely related "open carry" nuts -- may achieve one thing in the end ... ironically: the banning of assault/war weapons to protect people from this insanity. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Oops ... Daddy Bundy busted ...
Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare
quote: Now he has more serious charges than tax evasion. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
With only one dead (by cop suicide) and most of the offenders in jail, charged with several crimes.
They'll be occupying federal land for a while now. So they lose their rights to carry arms, their "cause" deflates and more. Will the government take Bundy land for failure to pay taxes and other fees? Not out of the question I would think -- there are laws allowing the seizure of property used during committing a crime ... But this is part of a larger problem in America -- people that are "low information" and people that are "bad information" purveyors making up stuff to fill the space in their heads. This is why education is critical for an informed population capable of making valid conclusions from objective empirical evidence, instead of being hoodwinked by the latest snake-oil salesman. So I'm glad this was not another RubyRidge\Waco fiasco. Well done FBI. Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
I am speechless.............. I'm sure Donald will have something to say ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
Jury nullification
quote: Interesting, so the law is on trial rather than the defendants. Guess the got a jury of their peers. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
|
As a member of the public, they also own that land. As a member of the public, the only "own" a share of that land, and the land is operated by the government for the benefit of all the shareholders = all the citizens of the USofA. They can go to shareholder meetings (elections and town halls) to voice their thoughts on how things should be managed. A gun is not a vote. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024