to film something and post it on Youtube is a sign of ignorance...
burning membership papers is really stupid since that does not do anything
That's a bit harsh, I think. What does burning a flag or a draft card do? Or burning an effigy?
Of course the act did not actually do anything. The burning was just symbolic. Is this symbolic act really any more silly than any other gesture? Or are all such gestures just ignorance?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
Not all gestures are equally silly but most are based on ignorance.
Not all, but most.
AbE:
Look at your examples and think; compare them to burning a Republican Party Membership card.
Come one.
Burning a draft card had real significance. First, it was illegal and at the time could actually bring the power and might of the Federal Government down on you.
Usually burning a flag was just silly. But it did carry a slight risk from the crazies living among us.
But burning a Republican Membership card and posting the video on YouTube? Sorry but that is simply ignorance.
Now had the person videoed going and changing his or her registration from Republican to Democrat it might have had a slight worth, but still not enough to rise far above the silly level.
Edited by jar, : see Abe:
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
It's funny that you claim not to understand who "they" are ... and yet you give some examples later on;
mega-corporate interests, the obscene wealth of the moneyed elite, and the list goes on
AZPaul3 writes:
What you do not recognize is there are thousands of disparate groups all clawing and biting to get whatever advantage they can without care for what others get left behind.
What you fail to realize is that while there are thousands of groups vying for whatever advantage, any advantage they gain is likely to be short term - we all die in the end. And while you might have the edge now - what about your children?
I think what you are suggesting is that the elite have won, and the rest of us should just be grateful and ultimately roll over and die.
It's funny that you claim not to understand who "they" are ... and yet you give some examples later on;
mega-corporate interests, the obscene wealth of the moneyed elite, and the list goes on
Oh, that "they," those "thems". The by-the-thousands of "thems", some wanting this, some wanting that, all working at cross purposes to, how did I put it, to gain as much advantage in society as their brand of "they" can get away with? That's your global-controlling monolithic mega-them? You really think Warren Buffett and George Soros invite the Koch brothers over for tea to decide who will be allowed to win the Super Bowl next year?
I think what you are suggesting is that the elite have won, and the rest of us should just be grateful and ultimately roll over and die.
Not at all. But you said it...
any advantage they gain is likely to be short term - we all die in the end.
Just because your guy gets rules-changed out into the hinterlands somewhere does not mean the aliens have landed.
In my message I also gave a third problem. You chopped that one out. I assume that one doesn't present any kind of concern for you.
In a new CBS News poll, April 8-12, two-thirds of registered voting Republicans would want Donald Trump to support the Republican nominee if Trump does not prevail at the convention. One-third of registered voting Republicans would want Trump to mount a third party bid for the White House. Of the registered voting Republicans who identify as Trump supporters nearly 2/3rds of them would want Trump to mount a third party bid if he is denied the Republican nomination.
The problem I see is that the Trump campaign has relied on TV ads, news publicity and large rallies to fuel his campaign. He does not have a grass roots organization to run petitions and do the door-to-door and the small local living-room parties on the ground (as pointedly emphasized by the Colorado fiasco where he practically ignored the state).
Those who have been involved in national campaigns know it takes a lot of money and a lot of time to build an effective ground organization locally, let alone in enough states to reach an Electoral College majority. Petitions need to circulated at grocery stores and churches across the state, certified by the state electoral commissions, fight the inevitable law suits over what is/is not a qualified signature, all before Trump can be entered on the ballot. Write-in campaigns require even more effort to get a local organization energized to canvass the state.
Just a glance at the John Anderson, 1980 (I worked on that one in Colorado), and Ross Perot, 1992, efforts show the staggering depth of the challenge even when a candidate already has a ground game in place.
Trump does not have, for all his claimed $ billions, the cash resources to mount such an effort. His organization does not have the organizing skills, the ground presence, the legal resources or the time to mount such a campaign. Which, based on these latest numbers, he may do just out of ego and spite.
For all his bluster and inanity Trump really isn’t a total idiot. Without the backing of (even a stripped-down, bleeding) Republican Party and the super-PACs that go with it, I doubt The Donald would risk personal bankruptcy in such a losing effort as a third party hunt. He would have to woo big Republican donors and the far-right evangelicals, the bigots and the racists, that would otherwise swing with the Republicans, to fund his campaign.
I believe such a spectacle would so disgust the middle, the moderate and the left of the American body politic that the Democrats would sweep into the White House and carry the Senate and a strong minority of the House with them.
Well, I can dream, anyway.
Edited by AZPaul3, : The Do Nothing Button no loner does that!
The problem I see is that the Trump campaign has relied on TV ads, news publicity and large rallies to fuel his campaign. He does not have a grass roots organization to run petitions and do the door-to-door and the small local living-room parties on the ground (as pointedly emphasized by the Colorado fiasco where he practically ignored the state).
Ok Ted Cruz has just won all 14 delegates for Wyoming. Again a voter-less victory. Trump calls the system rigged. Almost all the alternative media calls it rigged (mostly American citizens). Even Texas fell to Cruz. And you blame this on lack of door to door campaigning. The only people who think this is normal is the mainstream media (which is dying btw). Therefore you fall into the mainstream camp. I guess that's where the money is so I'm guessing you are getting paid to say it.
Big Al, I am in agreement that some of the things the GOP has done are questionable, and that complaining about lack of grass roots campaigning really is not a response to what went on in Colorado and Wyoming.
However, I do have to question this:
BA writes:
Almost all the alternative media calls it rigged (mostly American citizens)
What kind of claim is that? Is that some kind of popular appeal to unpopular media? Why would anyone find that persuasive?
And as if that were not silly enough:
BA writes:
I guess that's where the money is so I'm guessing you are getting paid to say it.
Are you and LamarkianNewAge having some kind of contest that the rest of us don't know about?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
What kind of claim is that? Is that some kind of popular appeal to unpopular media? Why would anyone find that persuasive?
I am not sure what your view of alternative media is - but from what you have said I presume it's negative. My view of the mainstream media or MSM is the same as your view of the alternative media. Question is which one is right. I have studied both and the level and depth of research between the two camps does not compare. Alternative media sources are generally far more researched. And what makes you think alternative media is unpopular? It's the MSM that is dying a death. But it is nice to know that I can always visit the EvC forum to find some old dinosaur fossils - in more ways than one.
What is alternative media? Can you provide some examples?
Remember this is the coffee house. Therefore this should be casual conversation. Many times on the Biological Evolution forum I have been asked to prove that 1=1 or to at least provide a source. I am therefore not about to go down that route here.
If you mention ducks and somebody asks for examples, you can mention Donald and Daffy, even in Coffee House.
If you use terms like "alternative media", it's quite acceptable to ask what the **** you mean. Are loonie websites what you call "alternative media"? Or is it space aliens whispering in your ear? Give us a clue.
If you use terms like "alternative media", it's quite acceptable to ask what the **** you mean. Are loonie websites what you call "alternative media"? Or is it space aliens whispering in your ear? Give us a clue.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
When you suggest people should check alternative media it might help if you gave them some idea of what media you consider alternative. Google, in case you did not know, is a search engine and not a media source.
So once again, what is an example of alternative media?
Even in the Coffee House you might want folk to at least consider your source.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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