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AZPaul3
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Message 1 of 478 (780531)
03-16-2016 8:02 AM


Since the once "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread" has been poisoned to the point of being a useless ghost of its former self let us attempt to resurrect its utility by abandoning that steaming pile of feculence to its droppings and continue the worthy original purpose of that thread in a new home.

Dr. A's OP:

quote:
I keep looking at the sodding calendar. I am fairly certain that it's early 2015. The presidential election, I keep looking it up, is in November 2016. And yet people keep telling me that the primary season is upon us. I think the whole world has gone mad.
And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are. God help us all.

So, once again, this is the thread for discussing the primaries, and if you even think we should be doing so at this point, then may you be cursed with a thousand plagues and may angry wombats eat your underwear. Nonetheless ... here we are.

I shall write my customary bitterly sarcastic synopsis of the candidates at the first moment when I've recovered from the concept that we should even be thinking about this crap right now.


A worthy venture requiring resurrection.

The last germane on-topic post from the sewer pit of that befouled lost thread:

quote:
3/16 - 1 am Eastern

Donald - 621 delegates pledged
Ted - 395
Marco - 168
John - 138

Marco Rubio has dropped out of the race after losing his home state, Florida.
John Kasich won his home state, Ohio, but trails the delegate count badly.
Donald Trump now has more than half the 1237 delegates needed for nomination already pledged to him.

Hillary - 1094 pledged with another 467 super delegates in support
Bernie - 774 pledged with 26 supers in support

At 1561 pledged and support delegates Hillary now has more than half the 2382 delegates needed for nomination.

With the Democrat leadership fully on board, barring a Bernie-led miracle (2405 delegates still to be selected), Hillary will win the Democratic Party nomination.

The Republican leadership, however, is not so well enamored of their lead candidate and are, so rumor has it, maneuvering (1136 delegates still to be selected) to prevent a first ballot win at the convention thus releasing the majority of delegates from their pledges to specific candidates and into a brokered convention.

This is gonna be fun.


Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode.

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Message 2 of 478 (780535)
03-16-2016 9:26 AM
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03-16-2016 8:02 AM


if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
If you add up the current standings il Donald has something less than half of the current pledged delegates.

If there really is an anyone but il Donald movement this might foreshadow a brokered convention and perhaps a split into a third party movement.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3 of 478 (780536)
03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Donald's Insecurity Showing
This is pretty mindblowing. In order to volunteer for the Donald, you have to sign an agreement which says, among other things:

2. No Disparagement. During the term of your service and at all times thereafter you hereby promise and agree not to demean or disparage publicly the Company, Mr. Trump, any Trump Company, any Family Member, or any Family Member Company or any asset any of the foregoing own, or product or service any of the foregoing offer, in each case by or in any of the Restricted Means and Contexts and to prevent your employees from doing so.

Got that? Not only are you forever barred from criticizing any aspect of Trump's business empire, but you must also prevent any of your present or future employees from doing so. Presumably by threats of termination, since following them around and holding their mouths shut would be illegal.

You are also obliged to prevent your employees from working for another campaign:

3. No Competitive Services. Until the Non-Compete Cutoff Date you promise and agree not to assist or counsel, directly or indirectly, for compensation or as a volunteer, any person that is a candidate or exploring candidacy for President of the United States other than Mr. Trump and to prevent your employees from doing so.

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Message 4 of 478 (780538)
03-16-2016 10:20 AM
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03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Re: Donald's Insecurity Showing
Does the Donald also promise to pay your legal fees if the employees you coerce turn around and sue you? Or, are the contract's obligations strictly unilateral?

-Blue Jay, Ph.D.*

*Yeah, it's real

Darwin loves you.


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AZPaul3
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Message 5 of 478 (780539)
03-16-2016 10:35 AM
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Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
...this might foreshadow a brokered convention...

And should this happen we can expect the Trump officials to issue statements saying that Trump supporters really shouldn't riot like that outside the convention hall even though mightily provoked like not having their man immediately anointed on the first ballot.


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Message 6 of 478 (780542)
03-16-2016 10:43 AM
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Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
Chicago Police are experienced with handling rowdy Political Convention crowds. If it comes to that my money would be on the Chicago Police.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 7 of 478 (780543)
03-16-2016 10:58 AM
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03-16-2016 10:43 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
Republican Convention July 18-21 in Cleveland Ohio.

July avg 83F - nice rioting temperature

Is it too late to move to Las Vegas? July avg 104F - You can riot, I'm going to the air conditioned Elvis Revue.

Besides I thought rioting is something only the liberals do.


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Message 8 of 478 (780545)
03-16-2016 11:24 AM


Regarding Obama worship for Faith
[ Obama isn't entered in any primary. Content hidden but viewable by clicking "edit" (Lammy only) or "peek" (everyone else). Please repost over at the Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread. --Admin ]

Just came back from vacation and right into a surprise audit. Didn't leave my office until 10pm last night to prepare for the audit today. Anyway, now that they are auditing all my stuff, I finally have some free time to respond to Faith regarding the Obama worship videos.

As I said before, I have a lot to say about that and how comparing Obama to Hitler is completely unfounded while Trump actually falls more in line with Hitler than she is willing to admit.

Allow me to go take a trip back to Memory Lane. It was in the early 2000's (yes, I'm a millennial) and I was preparing to leave the comfort of high school to go to college. At the time, I had befriended a freshman and sort of taken over as big brother role. I drove him to all the games and other high school events. Then I started driving him to other places like the parks and whatnot.

Anyway, during my first year in college, out of no where I received an email from the high school freshman that I hung out with the previous year. In the email, he said something like I was his hero and he wanted to be just like me. It was, by all intent and purposes, a hero worship email.

I was taken aback by it. Did I get that $15k/year college scholarship, graduated in the top 10, performed the Mozart Clarinet Concerto, and other things he mentioned in the email just to get worshipped by this young man? Of course not. I did all those things for me. I certainly did not intend to have a follower like that.

And my point is I did not have control over whether he wanted to worship me or not just like how Obama never had control over whether people want to worship him or not.

Did Obama tell people to worship him? Did he tell them to sing a song about him? Did he incite hero/god worship for himself?

How is he responsible for other people's actions if he never incited them?

Trump, on the other hand, is using the exact same tactics as Hitler to incite hero worship.

(1) Choose some minority groups and incite the majority/dominant group to hate them.

(2) Blame the ills of the "fatherland" on the minority groups and promises to make the "fatherland" great again.

(3) Anti-establishment.

(4) Alienate neighboring nations.

(5) Make the crowds pledge their support.

(6) Throwing out lies and have followers bend over backward to double down on the lies. Example: he saw thousands and thousands of American Muslims celebrating out in the streets on 9/11.

(7) When caught in his lies, he doubles down on them.

(8) Taps into people's anger. Is it a coincidence that every white nationalist group has come out to support Trump?

Those are just some of the things off the top of my head.

Now, I'm not saying Obama is perfect. I think he's far from perfect. I don't know why people keep saying he destroyed the nation. Current unemployment rate is lowest in 30 years. Even Buffet came out and said those who are born in this generation are blessed.

I'm certainly not complaining. I just got a raise that bumped my salary up to about $100k/year. No, I'm not trying to toot my own horn. I'm just saying I'm not dirt poor and want free stuff like how republicans like to portray liberals. I've never been on unemployment or used any other public assistance. I own my own house and have unlimited use of the company car (I don't even have a personal car). I'm partnered with another man, so abortion really will never come up in our lives.

So, really I have no dog in this fight at all. I'm Asian and my boyfriend is white. It really doesn't matter to us who wins the presidency.

I look around and the nation seems fine to me. If you just listen to conservative talking points, you'd think the country was on fire or something.

For our vacation, we went to Miami, Fort Lauderdale, the Florida Keys (all of them), Naples, and the everglades. Everything looked fine.

I haven't lost any right from before Obama. Still got my gun locked in my home office.

So, clearly, the conservative talking points about how terrible Obama has been are just wrong.

Edited by Admin, : Hide content.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 9 of 478 (780549)
03-16-2016 12:21 PM
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Re: Regarding Obama worship for Faith
[ Obama isn't entered in any primary. Content hidden but viewable by clicking "edit" (Faith only) or "peek" (everyone else). Please repost over at the Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread. --Admin ]

I'm sure you're right that Obama didn't ask for the worship. Nevertheless it's out there and it's amazing to my mind that such a mentality should exist at all in today's world. And even if Obama didn't ask for it, he could have objected to it, and I don't recall him doing that.

Not going to deal with the rest of your post right now. Maybe later.

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Message 11 of 478 (780558)
03-16-2016 3:45 PM
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03-16-2016 9:49 AM


Re: Donald's Insecurity Showing
I wonder how many of Trump's supporters are able to read and understand this "agreement".
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Message 12 of 478 (780560)
03-16-2016 5:28 PM
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03-16-2016 8:02 AM


Great Move
AZPaul3 writes:

Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode.

Great move, let's hope this thread is not hijacked like the previous one so no one else feels compelled to repeat such an action.

Edited by anglagard, : forgot title, how negligent of me


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 13 of 478 (780562)
03-16-2016 5:43 PM
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03-16-2016 10:43 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
jar writes:

Chicago Police are experienced with handling rowdy Political Convention crowds. If it comes to that my money would be on the Chicago Police.

Except, of course, quelling any rioting at the Republican Convention will be the job of the Cleveland Police.

Nevertheless, should Trump be denied the nomination, it will obviously compare with Humphrey's back in 1968 and is likely to result in a similar outcome.

I had a history teacher who, with some friends, witnessed the Chicago riots firsthand from a rooftop above the fray. He stated, "we thought it was the end of the world."

Upvote for prescient comparison.

Apparently The Houston Chronicle deserves an upvote as well.

Edited by anglagard, : apparently others agree


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 14 of 478 (780572)
03-17-2016 7:41 AM
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Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
anglagard writes:

Nevertheless, should Trump be denied the nomination, it will obviously compare with Humphrey's back in 1968...

Humphrey won his party's nomination back in 1968, so I had to think a minute and look up Humphrey before I could figure out the comparison you're drawing, and I'm still not sure. Is it that Trump's denial of the Republican nomination in a multi-candidate race would be like Humprey's denial of the presidency in a multi-candidate race?

--Percy


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Message 15 of 478 (780573)
03-17-2016 8:50 AM
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My Shiny Crown or Your Bloody Nose
Chicago 1968 was a different scenario altogether. Richard Daley, longtime Mayor and kingpin of the corrupt democratic political machine in Cook County, was a delegate to the convention and was embarrassed that the hippies were demonstrating, peacefully, around the convention center and the Democratic Headquarters. These were, after all, commie anti-Vietnam War renegades and street thugs that had no place in despoiling his great city and his personal shining moment on national TV. Mayor Daley ordered his police to clear the demonstrators from the streets and confine them to a city park a few blocks up the street.

The police riot that ensued, and yes it was the police that erupted in violent rioting, brutally clubbing, gassing and beating the demonstrators and the media (carrying their cameras and wearing jackets and armbands reading "PRESS") and anyone else standing in the vicinity, was watched in horror all across the country in realtime.

The difference with the potential action in Cleveland this summer will be that the Trump supporters, who are known, have a history, to precipitate violence at the merest suggestion from their demagogue leader (a suggestion already given) will erupt into violence if Trump is denied his shiny crown.

The bad news is that the rioting in 1968 destroyed the Democratic party leading to the election of Richard Nixon. The good news is that the same could destroy the Republican party in 2016 leading to the election of anyone other than Trump or Cruz, and (we can dream) rip the Senate out of Republican hands in the meantime.

Edited by AZPaul3, : title

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