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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
No it is not. It is time to vote for those who support Sander's positions be it senator, representative, or school board member. ... This is underway. Thousands have stepped up to run for office.
Bernie was sabotaged by the DNC -- period. Such actions do not rise to the moniker 'conspiracy' but rather 'politics as usual.' Committing election fraud by changing or purging voter registrations and the like is not 'politics as usual' but criminal felony. Shrugging it off as 'politics as usual' by the press and talking heads is condoning fraud. Voting for Hillary is voting to condone fraud and election tampering. Do we need UN oversight for our elections now?
Hillary Clinton is an expert at governing -- in the 1990's -- we are over 20 years past. I refuse to vote for her unless it keeps the turd golem Trump away from the suitcase. I hope I am wrong but I think Clinton will forget any promise to the electorate once the inaugural party starts and she is drinking 1952 Dom Perignon with Kissinger and Larry Sumners. Public Face Hillary promises to enforce regulations against bankers while Private Face Hillary tells the bankers that the ones who know best how to regulate the industry are the bankers. Public Face Hillary switched to oppose TPP, Private Face Hillary will approve it, likely as part of some "deal" with republicans, as she pulls back to incremental changes instead of actual fixes to things like healthcare and minimum wage. Public Face Hillary has big words on her website about protecting Native American rights and helping to solve problems they have. Private Face Hillary is notably silent about the North Dakota Pipeline protests and issues. She also claims that Russians are behind environmental protests ... (funny how it is Russians behind all her problems this time around, not the vast right wing conspiracy). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Those are opinion pieces. I have had great respect for Glen Greenwald in the past, but he can quickly cross over the line from objective reporting. Again, none of these pieces provide evidence of the collusion you claim. So those opinions are based on made up reality ... right. Again, I won't waste my time trying to convince you of something obvious. Take a breath, relax.
I was a very strong Bernie supporter, financially, emotionally and physically. I walked the walk. ... Ditto.
... Alas, Bernie lost. It is time to move on. Do you mean capitulate or do you mean continue the revolution through promoting progressive 'Berniecrat' candidates up and down the ticket -- because that is what I have been doing. It is also why I WILL vote for Jill. Making that decision was very liberating.
There are issues about the DNC, huge issues. ... Burning the place down is not the answer Who is burning it down? Electing progressive 'Berniecrat' candidates is not burning it down, fighting to regain the senate is not burning it down.
... Now is not the time to address them. The release of the email has pointed out that reform of the party is needed. ... When is? Are you a member of your local Democrat party committee? I am, as well as a slew of new progressives here in RI, so that we can implement change at the local level, from party issues to how the primary is run to what role superdelegates should have.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Stein is antiscience and panders to conspiracy theorists. ... Wrong. DO some research, please. This is DNC propaganda. You have to be blind or willingly ignorant not to see the several times she has responded to these assertions. Or you just take the articles that appeal to your opinion. I have watched many Hillary fans do this kind of thing this year. Cognitive dissonance is alive and well this election year (do I need to mention Trump supporters? My reasons for voting for Stein are purely strategic. I know she will not win, I know that Hillary will win RI, and I cannot vote for her (warmonger, paranoid, two-faced, doesn't have a position that cannot be bought, ... imho of course). But I can support third party growth and a progressive coalition that crosses party lines (see Working Families Party, of which I am also a member, see especially their issues).
... Which seemingly would be appealing to you. LOL. What was that you were complaining I was doing? you are funny. You really like to make mountains out of molehills. btw, my psychologist mom always said "just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean you are not being followed." Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I live in a RED state. So I feel very disenfranchised every election. I've lived in Mississippi, where the democrats were to the right of Massachusetts republicans ... and still lost. And I've lived in Indiana and Michigan (west coast evangelical michigan). Now I am in RI and am constantly amazed at the level of democrat control ... but we have a lot of DINOs and republicans that ran as democrats to get elected (after all the state chose to adopt the ALEC voter ID law), but the political battles are now fought in the primaries, not the general.
But I do still vote. I am hoping if Hillary does win she turns out to be a great president, maybe she will surprise us. Maybe it will be her calling. I will say I do not envy her if she does as Congress is already sharpening their knives. I would say "be careful what you wish for" ... my fear is that she will embrace militarization of police and the NSA and Homeland Security to advance the corporate police state. Certainly if she cannot help win a simple majority in the Senate (4 seats needed) then the DNC will have picked a loser, and we can expect another 4 years of do nothing politics embroiled in one investigation after another. If her coattails do help win a simple majority in the Senate then she better get cracking on appointment approvals, because she will likely lose it in 2018. Again, the DNC would have made a bad decision and will likely fail again to back issues that would bring voters to the polls, just like they did in 2014. Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. IF by some miracle (Donald Trump sinks the GOP across the ballot) dems take the house and get a supermajority in the senate, then she better work on reinstating the Voter Rights Act as priority #1. The problem is that she is SO HATED by republicans that they will vote against her, downticket, even if they don't vote for Trump. They will come out of the woodwork to do this.
Ok, Ok, but tell us how you really feel. Those who are comfortable with this election are free to feel so, I have no more energy (in whatever form) to spend on it, but I think it is a new low for the US regardless. Hillary is a 'Nixon Republican' (she has said she considers herself an 'Eisenhower Republican' but got the wrong administration ), she is not a democrat and I don't vote for republicans. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The concerns that get people elected in Richmond, VA are vastly different than those that get folks elected in Woodbridge VA, a town which is pretty much a DC suburb. You don't need a thousand mile wide state before regional concerns become important. So you need a metric that structures people by similar interests. One that would be hard to tamper with and that would be easy to determine. What about using population density to define 'districts' rather than specific areas? What about using income level? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You have a bicameral legislature. Elect one house by proportional representation; thus ensuring the representation of minority views and allowing viewpoints which are widely spread across the country but lack any geographical stronghold to be represented. Pick representatives by lottery. Everyone that files income tax and is not in jail is eligible.
Elect the other house by single-member districts, thus ensuring that there are representatives tied to specific communities We call those "senators" - they represent their state. Use instant runoff voting eliminating candidates with the least votes until you have two winners. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
These types of goals often require voting against one's best economic interests because they require higher taxes. ... I would argue that they may have short term effect on personal economics, but that they would fuel economic growth that would more than offset this short term sacrifice -- a higher tax on a higher income so that disposable income is still greater. Give that homeless person a job and a place to live and he will be adding to the economy rather than taking from it. I would also argue that we pay one way or another and the choice is how we want to pay for it -- higher wages for low income earners or food stamps to provide them with a living income? enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... The question comes down to just how stupid is the general electorate. ... I think we need to be careful not to accept the media portrayal of Trump supporters. The reason he kept surprising them in the primaries was because they got it wrong from the start and have not reevaluated their position. An interesting read is: How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind :
quote: Hit hard by the recession and the bank mortgage collapse, never saw a dime of the bail-out or the recovery, all the recovery and job growth was in the cities. They are the left out and the let down -- by both parties. A number of Bernie supporters also came from this group of people, and this article explains how someone can switch from Bernie to Trump, because the democrats are to busy becoming the new republican party to pay attention to the people.
... The question comes down to just how stupid is the general electorate. ... It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the democrat party is not going to help these people -- they blame Obama for the last 8 years, where all they got was having to pay more for insurance - in their opinion. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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There is nothing to like about nuclear war, and sometimes I wonder if Trump supporters understand that. What disturbs me is that many people don't think atom bombs are that big a deal, they are just bombs, they blow up a large area and that is it. There are long term effects that would create Chernobyl zones around the blasts making them uninhabitable, and with several hundred bombs in the 5 minutes of such a war (with existing warheads primed and ready to launch) you could "win" the war and lose civilization. The ad does not go far enough to discuss the consequences of such a war. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... So if the parts you quoted don't work for you then I don't think there's anything I could say to make them work for you, but I do have some comments/questions. I always find it fascinating to see people grab on to some aspect of an argument and ignore the message, using that aspect as an excuse to dismiss the information.
If this isn't another "epic stereotype" employed to be entertaining while making a point about how people in the city can seem to people in the country, then what is it? I think you nailed it Percy. Many times in the article he dismisses his portrayals as knowingly wrong, but that it is emblematic of how urban america seems to rural america. The media portrayal of Trump supporters is KKK supremacists and toothless NRA hillbillies, all educationally challenged. Talk about stereotypes. Hillary dismisses them as "the deplorables" rather that trying to actually understand them or to feel their pain. This is comparable to Romney's 47% comment that showed he was out of touch with the electorate. Those stereotypes are wrong and basing your actions and\or proposed solutions on them are doomed to failure. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You are so funny. You haven't yet actually discussed the message of the article, just find excuses to dismiss it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Much has been written on the subject. I don't apologize for finding this particular attempt ham-fisted and silly. Whatever you think of the way the article was written, there are points made that need our attention to understand fellow Americans. For me it helped explain how a person could be for Bernie and then switch to Trump when the candidates are so antithetical. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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A no-fly zone isn't about providing safe zones for civilians. It is 100% different from a safe zone. ... "providing safe zones for civilians." -- the next big lie of the warmongers. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Just when you thought the election couldn't get weirder ...
The Libertarian Party Just Gave Up On Winning, Tacitly Endorsed Hillary Over Trump quote: Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Didn't Hitler try that with the Jews? Ghettos Like Palestine Build a wall ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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