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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined:
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Minnemooseus writes:
quote: Yeah, I listened to that podcast. I generally like OtM, but they have a serious blind spot when it comes to political coverage, all too often falling for the false equivalence of the left and the right. For example, in their coverage of the protests against Trump, they talk about the claims of "professional protesters" and point out the silliness of claiming that George Soros is behind the Women's March...and then heavily imply that it's a silly argument regarding the Tea Party... ...neatly forgetting that Fox News directly subsidized the Tea Party. Their programming regular showed hosts supporting the Tea Party and at least one rally, they sent their hosts to the events to be featured speakers. [that, and host Bob Garfield doesn't think there's anything wrong with calling someone a f---ot.] So in listening to Holiday pull the "Don't feed the trolls" lever, I recognized that this was OtM trying to pretend that they're the rational ones out of some sort of need to be seen as "fair and balanced." PZ Myers had a good response to Allen Clinton's attempt to play that card:
Oh god. Oh god oh god oh god. That is so painfully stupid. It’s wrong. People like Yiannopoulos are playing to a crowd, and it’s not us. He throws bloody red meat to assholes, and thrives on their approval. What gave 4chan a bit of corrupt power was not liberals either avoiding or criticizing them, it was a gigantic mutual circle-jerk of horrible people reinforcing each other’s regressive views. Ignore them and you’re just giving them room to grow. It’s also the kind of thing only an oblivious man who has not been the target of the concentrated hatred of the mob could say. Yiannopoulos and his ilk have been ranting, pointing their fingers and screaming shrilly, at people for years. The women who have been doxxed by his kind will tell you that ignoring them doesn’t help when you’re stalked, when you get bomb threats, when your inbox is clogged with detailed plans to rape you. The transgender individual who was gaily outed by Yiannopoulos in public doesn’t have the option to just ignore him. This guy claims he can effectively deal with trolls by "ignor[ing] them or respond[ing] with kindness." Bullshit. That works with small numbers of casual haters that you can deal with one on one. But clearly he has never had to cope with a swarm of fanatical, obsessed people who find his identity itself to be offensive. Don’t feed the trolls does not work. Seriously. I’ve got experience in this area, and even at that, I have not been the focus of the same flamethrower of hatred that others have experienced. Weirdly, this guy is delivering his archaic and useless advice at a time when we’re finally getting through to demolish Yiannopoulos’s authority. He lost his book deal, he has just resigned from Breitbart, and none of this was accomplished by ignoring him. It was by keeping up the pressure, exposing him for what he is, and letting his own words turn him into a pariah. Do you know who we should ignore? Ignorant liberals who keep on indignantly informing us of the same wrong solutions, over and over. I should like to emphasize the next-to-last paragraph: "None of this was accomplished by ignoring him. It was by keeping up the pressure, exposing him for what he is, and letting his own words turn him into a pariah." Remember, Yiannopoulos made those statements a year ago. We've known for quite some time about his pedophilia. But people ignored it. He was just some blowhard that nobody thought anything of. The people at Berkeley were just whining little snowflakes who couldn't handle people with a different opinion. I should like to point out that anybody who thinks it's OK for CPAC to disinvite him, for Breitbart to push him out, for Simon and Schuster to rescind his book deal has no basis to complain the next time the students at a college express their displeasure at someone coming to speak at their campus. We've already established that the right are simply prostitutes for their political correctness...we are merely haggling over the price. They have their limits as to what is allowable and if you cross it, you are to be cast aside. It seems the cliche is true: The only way to get them upset is to be caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy. Some of us seem to think that sex crimes aren't the threshold of bad behaviour. [And on a related note, Bill Maher needs to pay attention to Larry Wilmore and Jim Jeffries and go F off himself. He had nothing to do with Yiannopoulos's downfall. And for him to gloat over Y's flame out while simultaneously whining about himself having his invitation to speak rescinded is the height of irony. Especially since Maher also defended pedophilia, or has everybody forgotten his defense of Mary Kay Letourneau? Once again: Dead girl or live boy. Apparently it's OK when he gets a boner.]Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Since Faith started this thread, I've been noting all the things that are not disgusting enough for her to start a thread about, for example the attacks and bomb threats against mosques and synagogues.
In today's news, a wingnut shot dead two unarmed people "because he thought they were Arabs". But lets do go on worrying about how people are so mean to right-wing extremists, that's a big problem. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So let's say your house is broken into by right wing thugs, and vandalized, robbed, your wife beaten up and you call the cops to report it but they tell you they aren't interested because you didn't report the attack on two right wingers that happened in another city that you hadn't even heard about.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So let's say your house is broken into by right wing thugs, and vandalized, robbed, your wife beaten up and you call the cops to report it but they tell you they aren't interested because you didn't report the attack on two right wingers that happened in another city that you hadn't even heard about. I'm sure you will allege that happened. I assume that you think your post might have something to do with anything anyone other than you actually posted? Can you give us a hint?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
WTF are you talking about? What does anything you just posted have to do with anything, anyone has ever said anywhere? You really need to up the meds.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
She's attempting an analogy with the robbers as the threat (not as of now the actuality, so way overblown) of terrorists, built on the assumption that our President is too limited to care about two things. It's a manifestation of false dichotomy.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're closer than the others. No, it was supposed to be a parody of what Dr. A said, that the Berkeley riots were a bigger deal in my mind, and deserved a thread, while I would ignore the killing of a couple of Arabs. My parody attempted to point out that the riots ARE a big destructive deal, and I didn't know anything about the Arabs anyway.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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LOL
Faith writes: My parody attempted to point out that the riots ARE a big destructive deal, and I didn't know anything about the Arabs anyway. Neither did the shooter. Including the fact that the Arabs were Indian. Edited by jar, : fix quote box
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You still did a false dichotomy. Maybe a competent government can address the riots and the shooting of the Indians. And a whole bunch of other issues.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Do you live in Berkeley, CA? Or ... are you Milo Yiannopolos?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can only suppose that you and JohF, at least, are playing some kind of game intended to destroy all logic. You are making no sense, either one of you. It's a very effective trick, makes it hard to answer you since you aren't saying anything that could be answered since it makes no sense. Clever, clever, effective and destructive. If you want to shut up your political enemies just talk nonsense. What a great idea.
PS/abe I'm not suspecting jar of this but I could be wrong. He just did the usual thing of changing the subject, reducing it to a nitpick. That's standard here. But I suppose it could be intentional as I think your craziness is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I can only suppose that you and JohF, at least, are playing some kind of game intended to destroy all logic. You are making no sense, either one of you. It's a very effective trick, makes it hard to answer you since you aren't saying anything that could be answered since it makes no sense
Sure makes sense to me. Pick one:
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is now an assertion that the shooting of the Indians was not hate despite what the person said because he was drunk.
In vino veritas!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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There is now an assertion that the shooting of the Indians was not hate despite what the person said because he was drunk. Well he was white and the victims were colored, so he must be innocent ... by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: PS/abe I'm not suspecting jar of this but I could be wrong. He just did the usual thing of changing the subject, reducing it to a nitpick. That's standard here. But I suppose it could be intentional as I think your craziness is. I hardly think a drunken asshole who shouts "Get outta my country" and then shoots three people killing one and the fact that you know nothing about the story and yet still referred immediately to Arabs is hardly a "nitpick" but rather another clear example that the base of Trump's support is made up of reprehensible ignorant fascist nationalists. The immigrants he shot are part of what makes America great while he is an example of what really threatens America.
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