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Faith 
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Message 89 of 960 (801364)
03-05-2017 3:13 PM
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03-05-2017 11:03 AM


Re: The transphobia is all coming from the Right
I also keep forgetting to mention that transgender "girl" who won some athletic competition or other -- wrestling? -- and I really really resent that. He's a boy. He has all the male hormones and muscle structure of a boy. Of course he can win against girls. This kind of stupidity has gone way too far.
Yeah, you've got this the wrong way round. He is a trans boy. He says that he should be wrestling with the boys. Conservatives insist that his male hormones and muscle structure count for nothing, and that he should be competing against girls. And yes, this kind of stupidity has gone way too far. So how about you guys stop?
That's interesting. I guess it would be more fair if he competed with boys, but then because he was originally a girl he'd be at a disadvantage because hormone replacement isn't perfect is it?
Are we in some kind of epidemic of transgenderness these days?
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Message 93 of 960 (801370)
03-05-2017 3:54 PM
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03-05-2017 3:14 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
No, you may not obscure the point I was making about political correctness, which IS an organized systematic arsenal of weaponry of character assassination on the Left. No, the right wing has no such system.

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Message 97 of 960 (801376)
03-05-2017 4:28 PM
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03-05-2017 4:07 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
All the evidence needed has been given. No, Political Correctness is Leftist, came from Mao Tse Tung originally, defines all the Leftist categories of calumny against conservatives, and you may not co-opt it.

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Message 100 of 960 (801389)
03-05-2017 4:57 PM
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03-05-2017 4:53 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Mao Tse Tung's origination of the concept shows that it has a Marxist origin. As it is used in the West it uses the categories of Cultural Marxism so that LGBT's can use it against conservatives.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 108 of 960 (801406)
03-06-2017 1:27 AM
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03-05-2017 6:46 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
Mao Tse Tung's origination of the concept shows that it has a Marxist origin.
So what if that is true? The Chinese also invented gun powder, but we don't look for a Chinese killer every time somebody gets shot. Anyone can use PC tactics, and the examples given here show that any Marxist head start was overcome long ago.
I really don't know if you liberals/leftists are mentally deficient or so locked into your leftist bubble you have had no exposure to things we on the right have known for years, but the point is that Political Correctness was Mao's term for the Party Line that had to be toed by everyone or else. That's what Communism does, it controls people in every possible way. Political Correctness tells them what they MUST Think if they are not to run afoul of the Powers, get thrown in prison or executed or whatnot. Mao arguably wins the prize for the number of his own people he executed. Political Correctness was his way of saying what they had to do to avoid it.
But as I was also saying, Mao had a different set of principles, if that's the word for them, that the Chinese were obliged to obey on pain of punishment, than today's Leftists have for us poor hapless Americans, meaning conservatives of course since the Left very happily gives its mind over to them without a fight. Today's arsenal ought to be very familiar by now, the accusations of racism, sexism, xenophobia, Islamophobia and so on, whicfh are intended to keep us in our place and shut us up.; As Horowitz says in that speech I linked in the OP, the Left is modeled on a version of Christianity, see themselves as the saints and their ideology as the salvation of the planet, and all dissenters as of the devil. Their method of control is moralistic attacks on those who disagree, moral indignation to the max to shrivel the soul and curdle the blood. Alinsky taught a version of the same. I have no idea how many times I've falsely been called a racist and a bigot here for expressing my political opinion about anything from BLM to Islam, to illegal immigration. That's Political Correctness, it's meant to intimidate, control and shut up. It's the basis for all the wacko Trump-hating, just as unfair used against him as against anyone else.
I heard recently, correct me if something's changed or is wrong, that France's popular candidate for President, Marine LePen is threatened with imprisonment for saying that ISIS is dangerous. That's Political Correctness in actual operation, which hasn't yet come here.
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Faith 
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Message 111 of 960 (801409)
03-06-2017 2:20 AM
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03-05-2017 8:22 PM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
political correctness, which IS an organized systematic arsenal of weaponry of character assassination
Faith, this is a serious question and not an argument against your position. But I am having trouble understanding what, in your mind, political correctness actually is.
It gives me a headache to think that anyone would have a problem with it, but I'll do my best to make it as clear as I can.
To me, it means we avoid speech that is insensitive and degrading to a particular group of people.
That's part of the rationalization, but I have never used such speech here and yet I'm called a racist and a bigot. I give reasoned analysis of the problems with illegal immigration and I'm called a racist and a bigot and a xenophobe; I give a solemn warning about the dangers of Islam and I'm called a racist and a bigot. I've never once said one racist thing or bigoted thing. I'm simply not allowed to have the nonracist political thoughts and opinions I have. The Left is programmed to see them as racist no matter what. It's an evil horrible imposition on personal rights and freedom of speech, but oh how righteous they all feel about it.
My daughter was in 3rd or 4th grade and we were talking and I said "Indians", and she said to me very seriously "Oh, Dad, we don't call them Indians any more, they are 'Native Americans'." I was a bit taken aback, but I was like, "Oh, OK."
That actually turns my stomach. Yes, it's a perfect case. Somebody is "offended" by a term, God knows why it's such a big deal, but while your talk with your daughter was quite reasonable, you can bet that someone else using the same term would be raked over the coals by snooty haughty seslf-righteous leftists and treated like the devil's own progeny worthy of being beaten to a bloody pulp, which is how the protestors are treating Trump supporters.; Same thing.
And since then, I have tried to not use the term 'Indian' to refer to Native Americans. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about that is Marxist and evil?
See above.; It's an innocent term that goes back to a time when that's all anyone knew. Making a moral/criminal offense out of it is evil, and as with all political correctness it's designed to intimidate and shut up far more than it has any actual beneficial effect on anybody for any purpose. There is no grace in Marxism, it does nothing but kill.
(I have a problem with "Native American" myself. How does anybody know who was "native" here, whether there were earlier peoples who deserve the name. The term itself is Marxist PC propaganda. I also have a problem with "Afircan-American.: There is nothing African about American blacks. They're Americans.)
It also means to me that we don't use terms like n*****, porch monkey, slant eyes, spic, wetback, faggot, queer bait, kraut, paddy, and so on... You certainly don't find it troubling that it is politically incorrect to use derogatory terms like these, do you?
That's a false problem. Rude and uncivil terms are not the aim of Political Correctness, as I say above, since I have never used such terms or anything close but I'm called racist and bigoted and all the rest of it anyway. That claim is a red herring. I'm not allowed to give a reasoned discussion of the nature of Islam or the problems of illegal immigration, both perfectly acceptable intellectual topics in a sane world.
However. I will say that it's a species of PC mentality that serves nothing good to object to the names of sports teams. To my mind that is sheer idiocy and yes a species of mind control. We've4 got a team called the Patriots. Should serious patriots get all pushed out of shape? How about a team called the Pilgrims? I see no genuine problem with any of this.
s it not better to err on the side of sensitivity?
It isn't ABOUT "sensitivity." It's about mind control, it's about one set of arrogant self-righteous people telling another group what they are allowed to think. Listen to the tones of angry huffy moral condemnation if you doubt this. In the name of sensitivity and kindness they are anything but to people who fail to go along with their agenda. They are full of hate, they haven't one shred of basic human tolerance or respect in them, all because of being indoctrinated in what is, yes, a Marxist-originated ideology.
Should we not do the best we can to not make ANY group of people feel marginalized? That is what politically correct speech means to me.
You know what, this is really the dregs of intellectuality the world has sunk to, how far we've fallen from any ability to actually think about things that we have to elevate such banal psychobabble concerns to the heights. Offended feelings is now the criterion for everything? Whatever happened to critical thinking?
Civilized people naturally have sensitivity to people's feelings, you shouldn't have to be upbraided for not following some formula about it; but Marxist PC has no respect for anybody and in reality, again, it isn't about sensitivity, it's about controlling us, shaming us, putting us in our place and shutting us up. Blech.
So, in all seriousness, could you please define, without using political accusations, what "politically correct" speech means to you. And why you find this so troubling.
PC is recognized by just about every conservative as THE Leftist program to control people and destroy people. Horowitz discusses it in that video in my OP. If you listen to any conservative sources you will find it discussed as Leftist tyranny.
I know I've posted this before and it may not add anything to the discussion but I'll post it again: William Lind's famous essay on PC as derived from Cultural Marxism / the Frankfurt Scholl that had such a big influence in the universities in the sixties:
(If you find yourself being offended by anything he says, I would say that's a measure of how you've been infected by PC yourself):
The Origins of Political Correctness, written in 2000.
Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning — the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it — where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.
We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?
We call it Political Correctness. The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious....
Interesting he traces its origin to a comic strip, which he doesn't name, rather than to Mao.
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Faith 
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Message 116 of 960 (801414)
03-06-2017 3:24 AM
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03-06-2017 2:39 AM


Re: Faith's Paranoid Lunacy
Sure, the entire Left has been destroyed by it. You can't think, you're perpetually in a huff about something your opponents did, or given over to the stupidest form of what you think of as humor against them, I mean demented stuff; your minds have been reduced to assessing whether something is racist or politically correct.
I'm sure there are also conservative victims of PC who have been shamed into total silence and suffer from deep depression, but that's the sort of thing we wouldn't hear about, would we? Though they should be getting revived by Trump's Presidency finally. Not to mention those assassinated for failure to toe the line. Hard to find that info too and when we do we are buried under such aggressive denials and accusations of conspiracy theories and "Paranoid Lunacy" we're effectively blocked from helping others with the information. Oh, and "batshit crazy" too. Well, fortunately there are millions of people on my side of the great American political divide. Too bad we can't break into separate countries, it would be so much easier on us all.
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Cheers.
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Message 117 of 960 (801415)
03-06-2017 3:33 AM
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03-06-2017 3:12 AM


Re: Political Correctness
I might prefer another term but Political Correctness is the term we have and changing it would only add to the already crazy level of confusion about what it means.
Propaganda is a good alternative but it doesn't quite get at the systematic ideology-driven nature of PC. Your post is certainly a good example of propaganda-poisoning.

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Message 121 of 960 (801419)
03-06-2017 3:42 AM
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Re: Political Correctness
But the meaning of "political correctness" HAS been changed. HBD is entirely right about the way the term was used when it first became popular.
That silly brain-shriveling excuse for an idea of PC is properly understand as totalitarian thought control. You have to know something about Cultural Marxism and how it works to be set free from such a silly mind-numbing idea.
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Faith 
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Message 123 of 960 (801421)
03-06-2017 4:04 AM
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03-06-2017 3:42 AM


Political Correctness has consequences
It would be a mistake to leave it at a definition of its function as thought control, which can happen because that very idea keeps being attacked, but the real problem with PC is its political consequences. It cloaks the globalist agenda of open borders for instance, which threatens the security of all sovereign nations. If to complain about illegal immigration is to be a racist and a xenophobe that means efforts to protect the border and national security are stifled. It justifies the utter evil of "sanctuary cities" as islands of anti-American ideology that work to undermine the stability of the nation. Any bad choice of words is pounced on to make us racists and bigots and discredit the important point about threat to national security.
If we can't talk about the dangers of Islam as an ideology without being shouted down as racists and bigots the nation is left open to people who carry an ideology that will ultimately destroy us. When Trump's "immigration ban" was blocked by the courts, Obama brought in a bunch of "refugees," because he wants the country to be destroyed, always has, that was his agenda from the beginning. It's all OK with those who want to destroy us, the globalists for instance, but most of the Left are just dupes who can't think past their emotion-driven idea that we have to be nice to "refugees." No matter if they are a brood of vipers waiting until there are enough of them to take over the country.
It's "sexist" to be against abortion, too, since murder is understood to be a woman's "right" in this craziest of upside-down leftist-run worlds.
We're "homophobes" if we object to gay marriage on the basis of the Bible, which leaves Christians vulnerable to legal measures that can destroy their businesses.
Political Correctness has political consequences that serve the Leftist agenda. That's its point.
And so on and so forth.

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Message 124 of 960 (801422)
03-06-2017 4:05 AM
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03-06-2017 4:01 AM


Re: Political Correctness
There is nothing "totalitarian" about the right. Trump wants freedom for all. The Left wants us all dead who don't toe their line.

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Message 142 of 960 (801463)
03-06-2017 1:24 PM
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03-06-2017 10:12 AM


Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
I'll know better next time when you say you're just asking serious questions. So you love PC, I don't see it your way but clearly that's not OK, it turns out I'm a racist and a bigot anyway -- if you don't get to call me that for one reason you get to for another. I have to toe your PC line as I should have figured I'd have to. Just the usual mentally deranged Leftist hate speech.

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Message 143 of 960 (801464)
03-06-2017 1:25 PM
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Re: The racism is all coming from the Left
I guess I should have realized there's no reasoning with a Leftist.

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Message 144 of 960 (801465)
03-06-2017 1:30 PM
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Re: Political Correctness
Why am I always so astonished at the stupidity of the Left?

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Message 150 of 960 (801483)
03-06-2017 2:49 PM


How many of you are on Soros' payroll I wonder?

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