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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Dramatically changing your story when it turns out to be obviously incorrect is not exactly a sign of good faith.
quote: It is certainly true. And I never said that Alex Jones believes what he says. If he says something anti-Semitic it's anti-Semitic whether it's pandering or not.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Dramatically changing your story when it turns out to be obviously incorrect is not exactly a sign of good faith. Nor is lying to me about what I said - I haven't changed a thing. My first reply about Jones started off describing the joke. What I said that I couldn't see was him saying that they were ALL Jews - he said "a lot" and that means not all. Then you asked about how he didn't mention non-Jews, and I explained that it would downplay the irony of the joke - which is still consistent with him not saying they were ALL Jews, which I still don't see.
It is certainly true. I don't believe you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It certainly can't be the case that he isn't implying that they are all Jews and that he has to imply that they are all Jews. And given that he starts by alleging a conspiracy I don't see how it would be less funny if he said "some of them are Jews" in there. And while he didn't say that all the KKK guys were Jews he didn't say anything about non-Jews being infiltrators at all. And we have multiple references to their Jewishness and only one mention of "leftists" - and that was "leftist Jews"
... alot of the KKK guys with their hats off look like they’re from the cast of Seinfeld. Literally they’re just Jewish actors. Nothing against Jews in general, but they are leftists Jews that want to create this clash and they go dress up as Nazis. I have footage in Austin -- we're going to find it somewhere here at the office -- where it literally looks like cast of Seinfeld or like Howard Stern in a Nazi outfit. They all look like Howard Stern. They almost got like little curly hair down, and they’re just up there heiling Hitler...
"Cast of Seinfeld" "Jewish actors" "leftists Jews" "they all look like Howard Stern". Get it ?
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: That doesn't change the fact that there is in reality a Leftist Jewish conspiracy against western civilization as well as Jews who are avid American patriots who oppose them. Your definition of "fact" differs from what everyone else uses. What you have is a bare assertion, and a rather ugly one at that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Get it ? Yeah, if some of those Klantards are actually Jews in disguise then that would be hilarious.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Huntard writes:
If he thinks their Jewishness is significant enough to mention, that smells like anti-Semitism to me.
... he believes the people he saw were Jews.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
It would be even funnier if you killed a bunch of concentration camp inmates, put them in Polish uniforms and scattered them around the Polish border to justify the invasion.
Yeah, if some of those Klantards are actually Jews in disguise then that would be hilarious.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources when I commented on this event, had only seen the brief accounts at Yahoo. Now I've read David Horowitz at his Front Page Mag (The Real Race War) where he points out that no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group.
He says the group protesting the removal of historical monuments had a permit. It took them two tries to get a permit, and it was the ACLU that made it happen. They had a permit for a particular park. Then the violently racist groups BLM and Antifa got permits also, but for different parks since they aren't issued for the same location where another demonstration is going on. But nevertheless they went to the same park, probably to start fights with the first group of protestors. Those groups are very large; the white supremacists got out only few hundred. Of course with both in the same park there were going to be fights. So why is Trump being criticized for not denouncing the white group more strenuously? What makes them deserve his denunciation more than the equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If we're asking "who did what?" let's start with an easy one.
Who drove a car into a crowd, killing one person and injuring seventeen more ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I actually read your link and continued to read...even though it came from Breitbart.com. It has always been my goal to read how everyone thinks---not simply the ones whom I usually agree with. Granted, i dont hold much stock in Alex Jones...he is simply a business, in my mind. Horowitz, however, seems more intelligent. A couple of statements stood out to me from the article:
It seems like a valid point...except that the guy driving the car that killed someone was a disenfranchised young white guy. Not a good thing.
Trump was actually correct in saying that both sides were culpable. (Probably encouraged by Steve Bannon) Public pressure aimed at vilifying white privilege forced him to denounce his own base support. Totally understandable in context. However....
I actually see some wisdom in that statement. Both sides are at fault. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, Bullshit.
and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group Bullshit. They had two permits.
So why is Trump being criticized for not denouncing the white group more strenuously? What makes them deserve his denunciation more than the equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups? Because there are no equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups, and Trump is supporting the Nazis who make up a significant portion of his base.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I agree 100% with what you said.
JonF writes: Faith writes: So why is Trump being criticized for not denouncing the white group more strenuously? What makes them deserve his denunciation more than the equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups? Because there are no equally vicious murderous hateful racist Leftist groups, and Trump is supporting the Nazis who make up a significant portion of his base. I find it amazing that Trump and Faith completely fail to comprehend that we fought the bloodiest war in America and defeated the traitors that carried and carry the Confederate flag. And we also fought WWII in which millions died to defeat the Nazis. There are NO good Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, militias, or racists. Interviews with these thugs showed who was responsible for the violence. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: I hadn't yet read any of my favorite conservative sources when I commented on this event, had only seen the brief accounts at Yahoo. Now I've read David Horowitz at his Front Page Mag (The Real Race War) where he points out that no matter how objectionable the white racist group is, the Leftist protestors are as bad, and they showed up where they had no permission to show up, obviously with the intent of clashing with the white group. Yep, just like these really bad leftists who confronted Nazis in the 1940's:
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It would be even funnier if you killed a bunch of concentration camp inmates, put them in Polish uniforms and scattered them around the Polish border to justify the invasion. That is hilarious.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Seems to me I condemned the white racist group pretty definitely so attributing any kind of support for them to me is wacko. I wouldn't even grant a permit to demonstrate to an organization that advocates "killing Jews."
It also seems to me that Horowitz's article in Front Page (not Breitbart, Phat) was pretty fair, but I have the feeling Phat is the only one who read it. He certainly didn't defend the white supremacists, he merely pointed out that they were apparently peacefully assembled for their protest and the Leftists crashed the party. The Leftists did have permits but not permits for that same park. Yes it was a white supremacist who drove the car into the Leftist crowd. But the point here is that if you're going to condemn one hateful racist group you should also condemn the others, and BLM and Antifa are hateful racist groups that have threatened to kill "white people" and in the case of BLM have already killed many cops. I wouldn't have granted them permits either, but since they had them I would have wanted the cops to be sure they stayed in the location the permits were for. Horowitz and others have been talking for some time now about the growing Leftist/Marxist hate rhetoric against "white people," as well as the murders of cops by the BLM which get hardly any mainstream coverage, and in this case he points out that the white supremacists are so negligible in numbers there really isn't much of a white supremacist presence in the country at all; and all the rage against Trump as if he was their supporter is just stirred up as part of all the fake news we get daily in the effort to bring him down. The fact is that the Leftist groups are far more numerous and just as racist and murderous.
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