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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It doesn't matter what kind of state it was. Jesus didn't leave a lot of loopholes for you to weasel through. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Roman Empire wasn't a welfare state.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's bizarre. If it's collected as taxes, as Jesus advocated, and used to help the poor, as Jesus advocated, it's robbery? Yes dear, Socialism 101 there, redistribution of wealth, from each according to ability to each according to need. That's what socialism is, helping the poor by robbing the ones with money.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It doesn't matter what kind of state it was. Jesus didn't leave a lot of loopholes for you to weasel through. Oh it matters a great great deal since a welfare state is a state that commits theft, which taxation for legitimate purposes is not.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Jesus didn't say anything about a welfare state. He said pay your taxes. Oh it matters a great great deal since a welfare state is a state that commits theft, which taxation for legitimate purposes is not. And He didn't say anything about "legitimate purposes". He said pay your taxes. No doubt some of those taxes were used for purposes that He wouldn't approve of - but He just said pay your taxes. And here's you who doesn't want to pay taxes for things He did approve of.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
You keep saying "robbing". You need a lesson in English 101. Yes dear, Socialism 101 there, redistribution of wealth, from each according to ability to each according to need. That's what socialism is, helping the poor by robbing the ones with money.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's true, He simply said pay your taxes, and all of us have to do that no matter what without asking what they are for. But just as a matter of fact the welfare state operates on theft and there's no way Jesus approves of theft, He advocates giving, period.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No, that's false by any definition of theft.
But just as a matter of fact the welfare state operates on theft.... Faith writes:
Jesus told His disciples that the lady who gave two mites was giving more than the rich men who gave bags and bags of gold. It isn't how much you give in absolute terms that counts - it's how much you keep for yourself. By Jesus' principles, it's the rich men who are "stealing' by not giving as much as they should. there's no way Jesus approves of theft, He advocates giving, period.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: But just as a matter of fact the welfare state operates on theft and there's no way Jesus approves of theft, He advocates giving, period. Well my welfare state is described as The welfare state of the United Kingdom comprises expenditures by the government of the United Kingdom intended to improve health, education, employment and social security. Jesusey sort of things I'd say. No mention of robbery.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You keep saying "robbing". You need a lesson in English 101. Well, you really are addicted to the euphemisms. Hey, Ben Shapiro is good on socialism, and there's lots of his stuff at YouTube.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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A few socialistic programs built on top of a capitalist economy is not a "successfully socialized country" In fact that is precisely the definition. It is exactly the situation that exists in the countries "conservatives" always wave about as examples of the socialist bogeyman. You keep hacking at some Marxist strawman from the era of your childhood.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well my welfare state is described as The welfare state of the United Kingdom comprises expenditures by the government of the United Kingdom intended to improve health, education, employment and social security. Jesusey sort of things I'd say. No mention of robbery. Of course not, that's the word that is hidden under all the euphemisms.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus told His disciples that the lady who gave two mites was giving more than the rich men who gave bags and bags of gold. It isn't how much you give in absolute terms that counts - it's how much you keep for yourself. By Jesus' principles, it's the rich men who are "stealing' by not giving as much as they should. And Jesus criticizes them while praising the lady who gave the two mites. What's your point?. They GIVE, they are not FORCED to give. And yes, the welfare state is based on theft. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
He simply said pay your taxes, and all of us have to do that no matter what without asking what they are for. But just as a matter of fact the welfare state operates on theft... So let me see if I have this straight. You agree with Jesus that his followers in Roman times had a duty to pay their taxes, that those taxes were legitimately owed to the state. But in today's world, with duly elected democratic governments, those taxes have become theft from all the good Christian citizens?
He advocates giving, period. You know, just one line back you said he advocates paying your taxes. Maybe you should eat more green leafy vegetables, I hear they're good for the short term memory.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I've been enjoying Ben Shapiro's talks and he points out all kinds of negative effects from the socialist programs in those capitalistic countries, that always lead to having to elect a rightwing government to straighten out them mess. But as long as the programs exist the mess keeps getting generated.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'm certainly not going to waste any time on YouTube. I did Google him and he appears to be an idiot. I see where you get your empty- headed rhetoric from. Hey, Ben Shapiro is good on socialism, and there's lots of his stuff at YouTube.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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