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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Copout. If that's all your God does, he's no different than Freud or Frodo. I don't believe that God usually gives us direct answers. He stimulates our thinking.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The entirity of your belief system rest on one single book - a collection of short stories. The stories are folk tales, myth and legend. What utterly ridiculous nonsense. Evidence you've never spent half a minute familiarizing yourself with it or those who know it best -- or that you are delusional. And of course you say nothing about whether you've read even half a page of any of those I listed as the illustrious Christians of the UK's past. Such soberminded highly intelligent people who treat the Bible as God's word could give you a different perspective if you spent any time getting to know them.
There's no reason why anyone would have anymore knowledge about what's written in there than anyone else. That's an odd thing to say since it wouldn't be true of any book whatever let alone the supernatural work known as the Bible.
Istead, what you *do* have is a multitude of different personal opinions which can't be resolved but can be exploited. So much so that civilisations have clashed over them for thousands of years. It really is time we all grew up. All the names on my list agree on the basics about the Bible. And you are apparently ignorant of history as well as the Bible.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Believe what you want. You've never trusted Him anyway. I've yet to meet a drunk with any real wisdom. (unless you are one and I don't know it!)
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If so why is Faith's position not the same as GDR's? Because he rejects parts of the Bible he doesn't like, quite willing to make up his own version of Christianity from the parts he likes. Tradition and dogma mean nothing to him; whereas I regard the Bible as God's word and seek to learn what it asks of me without imposing my own will on it. As do all those on that list I made for you. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Stop it. Telling lies about me doesn't help your case. You've never trusted Him anyway.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Is it a lie? You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists. You interpret His message as working for the people. You trust humans.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes.
Is it a lie? Phat writes:
You keep saying that I "never" believed. That is a lie. Maybe it comforts you to think that no True Believer could ever stop believing but it's stll a lie.
You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists. Phat writes:
Another think I have to keep telling you over and over again: I trust humans more than I trust your God. Human interests are more likely to coincide with mine. Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing. You trust humans.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing. Why would He torture you? Do you have a documented reason?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You tell me. It's your religion. Next time you're communing with God, ask him.
Why would He torture you? Phat writes:
Ever hear of the Bible? Do you have a documented reason?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
tghats what you get for believing the message yet ignoring the messenger.
There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Bullshit. There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Care to quote it?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Since you think I never go outside Matthew 25, that's as good a place as any to start:
Care to quote it?quote:According to Faith and jaywill, that's me. Even if it isn't me specifically, I disapprove. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them? Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I am one of them. I'm human. Maybe I've done enough to be a sheep and maybe not.
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them? Phat writes:
A decent God wouldn't have to "save" anybody from Himself. Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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