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Author Topic:   Making Sense of Evil (Virginia Tech Massacre)
jar
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Message 38 of 110 (396658)
04-21-2007 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
04-21-2007 1:39 PM


Re: Evil?
Its not our fault that we live in a Capitalist Republic with Imperial ambitions....
Huh?
Say what?
If it is not our fault then just whose fault do you think it is?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 40 of 110 (396671)
04-21-2007 4:51 PM
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04-21-2007 4:41 PM


Re: Evil?
I am saying that its not our fault for whatever ills our system has done to his tortured mind, nor for the protests of many imitators throughout the world.
Why not?
If it is "our system" is it not "our responsibility?"

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jar
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Message 49 of 110 (396903)
04-23-2007 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by One_Charred_Wing
04-22-2007 8:08 PM


Re: Evil?
So being open to the concept that there is evil beyond our own in this world, and to address this possibility of evil is irresponsible?
Sure it is, and you even explained why in the same paragraph:
I do know that such a concept doesn't necessarily take responsibility away from us because 'the devil made us do it', either...
The problem is that so many Christians, and you can see it here often, do use SuperNatural Evil as a copout and excuse. The whole concept of Original Sin and Fallen Human and even the Fall itself is just such a copout.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 58 of 110 (396926)
04-23-2007 12:12 PM
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04-23-2007 11:37 AM


Re: Evil?
IMHO yes. Considering areas of Evil outside the Natural is irresponsible.
Let me try to explain why.
As I have gotten older I have been forced to realize two things, that there are some things that really are outside my control, and that I have limited energy to expend.
By definition, anything SuperNatural is outside my control. I cannot do anything about it.
Effort spent worrying about the SuperNatural is simply effort not used in areas where I actually can have some influence.
The whole area of "...being open to the concept that there is evil beyond our own in this world, and to address this possibility of evil..." simply seems like a royal waste of time and effort.
Yes, I do think that is irresponsible.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 64 of 110 (396952)
04-23-2007 2:45 PM
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04-23-2007 2:35 PM


Re: Evil?
So I guess believing in God is irresponsible too?
Sure, to a great extent it is. Whether GOD exists or not is totally outside our control. Those Christians that look to GOD to solve their problems or help them win the Lotto are also acting irresponsible.
But it is also irrelevant.
You were talking about a belief that there is some outside force that actually does something in this universe. You were talking about Evil.
The difference is when you attribute peoples actions to some outside force. That IMHO is irresponsible and a waste of time and energy.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 69 of 110 (396978)
04-23-2007 6:02 PM
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04-23-2007 5:53 PM


Re: Evil?
The belief in supernatural evil does NOT necessitate action as a result.
Sorry if I do not understand your point. You believe in SuperNatural Evil that has no activity in this world.
Okay. Then why even bring it up? It is irrelevant to the topic or discussion.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 71 of 110 (397033)
04-23-2007 11:38 PM
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04-23-2007 11:25 PM


Re: Evil?
2.Let's say that somebody does. They believe that this evil, like God, works through people. If that were the case, then addressing the evil (that manifests itself through our own evils) would be to combat it with our own means: research into mental illnesses, therapy, biopsychotic drugs if necessary, and perhaps some TLC.
Sorry but none of the things you mention can have any effect on the SuperNatural. If we are dealing with perfectly normal methods of addressing perfectly normal issues then bringing the SuperNatural into the equation is irresponsible and irrelevant.
Edited by jar, : appallin spallin

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jar
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Message 74 of 110 (397074)
04-24-2007 9:40 AM
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04-24-2007 2:49 AM


Re: Evil?
Sorry but imagining that you are combating the work of some dark puppeteer behind the scenes is usually considered psychotic.
I still see it as irresponsible and irrelevant. That sounds nicer than insane.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 90 of 110 (397430)
04-25-2007 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Nuggin
04-25-2007 9:13 PM


Guns?
It sounds like you would be fine with every house having guns. I can only assume that you would likewise be fine with machine guns, armor piercing bullets, etc.
Sure even though that shows you are clueless what you are talking about.
Hell, if the Virginia Legislature had passed the bill allowing defensive carry on campus it is possible not one person would have been killed.
If you would like to actually learn something about guns, ammo and such, please start another thread on it and I will be happy to try to educate you on things like automatic weapons, semi-automatic weapons, armor piercing bullets, and some of the basics on such equipment and terms.

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