Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,910 Year: 4,167/9,624 Month: 1,038/974 Week: 365/286 Day: 8/13 Hour: 1/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Making Sense of Evil (Virginia Tech Massacre)
Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5878 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 35 of 110 (396624)
04-21-2007 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by RAZD
04-21-2007 10:12 AM


Re: evil? or anti-social?
Razd:
Christian fundamentalists have similar problems with things they see as attacks on their society. See Rob's comments on the immorality of science.
I (Rob) have never said that science is immoral. I have said that science is ammoral.
If you want to see a good example of the pyschological conditions exhibited by Cho, you can look no further than any person who has become angry. And yes, that includes me. Don't think I am unaware...
It is the potential of every person.
If the anger is fed, then the delusions and paranoia grow. It is not a matter of kind but degree. Obviously, Cho continued to ignore the voice of reason within himself and allowed his delusins to become reality to the point where action was the only way to assert Himself. The only thing stopping him was the truth. He ignored that...
Everytime you and I endeavor to take action and set things right, we are (in some minor degree) doing the same thing by seing the opposition as the problem. Minority or majority has little to do with it.
Anger is the enemy. And Razd... listen to me very carefully... vitriol is not something exclusive to 'fundamentalist' Christians.
I am going to say this very carefully and gently. It is very often the 'homosexual community', or those who otherwise see themselves as 'finally free' (to live as they please) who exhibit some of these symptoms. And I am not singling out the homosexual community as you are doing with the 'fundamentalist label. That pretty much describes every human being.
Alec Baldwin anyone...?
The common denominator is anger towards another and Jesus said it is murder. The sin being essential and manifest in the heart, and not only the action. Cho had to think it first, and that was where the battle for his mind was played out. He gave into the hate, and the actions followed. A copycat here in California yeilded to reason in the end. I was actually rolling through Yuba County the next day (yesturday).
It is anger and hatred within that is the enemy.
Matthew 5:21 "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
What utterly disturbs me, is the attempt by Razd and others to label ('fundamentalist') and look to a scapegoat for their problems. I have never suggested such a thing. For example, you have never heard me label homosexuals as 'queers' or 'fags', and then blame my own problems or society on the condition of a few others. This issue of unholy anger, is one all men struggle with.
But when someone comes along with 'righteous indignation', it is immediately trumpeted by those perceiving threat, to be under the catagory I have been describing.
Perhaps that is why it was said (I think Billy Graham said it), that the problem with 'Righteous Indignation', is that it is often 10% righteous, and 90% indignation.
I try as hard as I can to walk that line. And I despise myself when I do fall into the other catagory.
But this bold faced attempt here by Razd, to label every solicitation for clear thought, and every sharp rebuke, as the Son of the demonic activity at work in each of us, is itself, the essence of bigotry and elitism.
Let's all calm down here...
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by RAZD, posted 04-21-2007 10:12 AM RAZD has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 44 by RAZD, posted 04-21-2007 5:53 PM Rob has replied

  
Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5878 days)
Posts: 2297
Joined: 06-01-2006


Message 102 of 110 (397666)
04-27-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by RAZD
04-21-2007 5:53 PM


Re: evil? or anti-social?
Razd:
You did just single them out - you just asserted that they exhibit {anger? vitriol?} and implied that it was due to their (immoral by implication) life-style and you gave no other examples. I call that singling out.
You see? You're exibiting the paranoia now. And that is not a condemnation...
Please listen to me:
http://EvC Forum: Making Sense of Evil (Virginia Tech Massacre) -->EvC Forum: Making Sense of Evil (Virginia Tech Massacre)
In the above liked post, I said it is something we all suffer from...
Rob:
If you want to see a good example of the pyschological conditions exhibited by Cho, you can look no further than any person who has become angry. And yes, that includes me. Don't think I am unaware...
It is the potential of every person.
I can demonstrate further my analysis of this issue and that I do not hold one culture responsible and point fingers of blame. It is a short excerpt from an aritcle of mine which I do not think is posted elsewhere here at EVC if my menory serves...
'A Critique of Savage Philosophy':
...Now, there is one more thing I would like to say about ”Savage Philosophy’, and it is in regard to ”Liberalism as a Mental Disorder’. Dr. Savage has mentioned on numerous occasions that it is not just Democrats (or self styled Liberals) who suffer from this condition, but also Republicans (self styled Conservatives), and to an alarming degree our whole culture. I think he is onto something absolutely pivotal. But it is only a partial truth.
The mental disorder we all suffer from, to one extent or another is really just the illogical out-workings caused by avoiding certain realities and attempting to accommodate them in our own thinking. And these are the result of sin. The true condition is called ”Sin’. And it is this ”Spiritual Disorder’ that Michael Savage partially diagnoses with his tepid description of ”Liberalism is a Mental Disorder’.
As a result of only partially diagnosing the problem, Dr. Savage falls into the same trap that so many of us do, and that is of throwing stones and pointing fingers. The Liberals blame the Conservatives. The Jews blame the Muslims. The ACLU blames the ”Christian Right’. The Father blames the Mother. The Son blames the Father, etc. And everyone lives ”unhappily’ ever after.
The real solution to the problem lies in each individual’s responsibility to look into the mirror of God’s Ten Commandments and see for himself what he truly is. It is in ”the light’ of that truth that we can begin to see what it is that Jesus was trying to tell us all along. He is the truth. And no man comes to the Father but by the truth. His words correspond to reality. He asks us to remember how far we have fallen, and that it is not even arguable.
“The depravity of man is at once, the most empirically verifiable reality. Yet at the same time, it is the most intellectually resisted fact.” (Malcomb Muggeridge)
Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 44 by RAZD, posted 04-21-2007 5:53 PM RAZD has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024