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nator
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Message 36 of 259 (174828)
01-07-2005 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Hangdawg13
01-04-2005 2:39 PM


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In the Surah a few verses clearly advocate killing anyone who does not submit to Allah and Islamists cite Mohammed's example of enforcing this command by killing hundreds of Jews and non-believers during his life.
In the OT, it is clearly indicated that disrespectful, disobedient children are to be dragged into the center of town and stoned to death.

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nator
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Message 40 of 259 (174997)
01-08-2005 9:29 AM
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01-07-2005 8:56 PM


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But Jesus says to not even get angry. And to let him without sin cast the first stone..
True, but do you believe in the whole Bible or not?
The Bible includes Leviticus, does it not?
Do you reject the OT or just the parts of it you don't like?
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Where does it say this in the muslim book? Or other religions?
Buddhism advocates non-violence to such an extent that many Buddhists are vegetarians.
Jainism, Zoroastrianism, and Hinduism all come to mind as non-violent religions, too, and I am sure there are more.
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We're not Jews Shraff.
Then you must not accept the OT, right? If you reject Leviticus, why not reject Genesis?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 43 of 259 (175049)
01-08-2005 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Tal
01-08-2005 10:01 AM


Re: Higher Laws
First you say:
quote:
There is no reason to reject the OT or leviticus.
but then you contradict yourself by saying:
Leviticus obviously has some stuff in it that doesn't apply to today.
Which is it?
Do you ignore the OT and Leviticus or not?
Clearly, sometimes you do ignore it an sometimes you do not.
Clearly, it is completely arbitrary which parts you follow and which you do not.

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nator
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Message 45 of 259 (175202)
01-09-2005 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tal
01-09-2005 9:39 AM


Re: Higher Laws
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As to which of the levitical laws we should follow? None, we should follow the laws that our government has set for us (I'll have to look up the chapter/verse in the NT, but in there it says to obey the laws of the land).
So, what is your stance on homosexuality?

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nator
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Message 55 of 259 (175449)
01-10-2005 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Tal
01-10-2005 2:23 AM


Re: Higher Laws
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It's as wrong as 2 boys kissing.
Well, then, there's nothing wrong with that, if both boys want to be kissing each other.
Right?

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 58 of 259 (175479)
01-10-2005 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Tal
01-10-2005 10:10 AM


Re: Higher Laws
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What if I want to kiss your 7 year old daughter?
There's nothing wrong with that right?
Of course there's something wrong with that, because you are an adult and my 7 year old daughter is clearly a child, who cannot give her consent.
Anyway, your question above has nothing at all to do with your views on homosexuality as they relate to if you follow Levitical law or not.
If you say that you do not have to follow Levitical law, then do you think that homosexuality is wrong?
If you do, why?

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nator
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Message 67 of 259 (175536)
01-10-2005 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Silent H
01-10-2005 12:15 PM


Re: Higher Laws
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How does that make it wrong? A 7yo cannot consent to be taken to a soccer game, or whether to have a cookie before dinnner, yet it would not be "wrong"... right?
Yes, holmes, having a cookie before dinner and going to a soccer game is exactly the same as a man in his twenties making sexual advances to a 7 year old.
Does a 7 year old understand what soccer is? Does a 7 year old understand what a cookie is?
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You appear as backward and stretching to fulfill your own requirements for right and wrong as he is, as you certainly did not get your rule from anywhere.
I get my rule from the fact that most 7 year old girls have not reached any sort of physical sexual maturity, nor are they in the same emotional or social league as a 27 year old adult, so are easily manipulated.
Is is OK in your eyes for an adult to make sexual advances on a developmentally disabled person with the mental capacity of a 7 year old?
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You are partly right and partly wrong with this. I would love to see him be consistent with regard to lev, but even in the New Testament there are passages (mainly from Paul) that could indicate homosexuality is wrong. Not sure if kissing is tantamount to homosexuality, but ya know...
Yes, I know about the stuff in Paul, but there is a lot of that that I'll be he doesn't follow, either.
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