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bob_gray
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Message 42 of 259 (175042)
01-08-2005 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Tal
01-08-2005 10:01 AM


Re: Higher Laws
eviticus obviously has some stuff in it that doesn't apply to today. If I bang the wife and she happens to start her period, I don't go wash in the river for 7 days and have the local priest declare me clean.
Leviticus does have some very relevant stuff for today though. Did you know that everyone in the US Army has an E-tool (Entrenching tool). The main purpose of this device is to bury our feces when we poop. Modern day armies have been carrying these since around the civil war (around the time bacteria was discovered).
Thanks for clearing this up. I was wondering if you could explain the criteria for deciding which parts of Leviticus we should still follow and which parts we shouldn't? As per your example should we only follow those things that agree with modern science or is there a broader set of criteria?

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bob_gray
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Message 46 of 259 (175219)
01-09-2005 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tal
01-09-2005 9:39 AM


Re: Higher Laws
Could I say common sense and get away with it?
You could but that would open a whole can of worms as to what is "common sense".
There is also a verse in the bible that says, "Go build an ark of gopher wood." But you don't see me running out to Home Depot.
In the defense of those who believe in the OT but are not building arks God was specifically talking to Noah here.
As to which of the levitical laws we should follow? None, we should follow the laws that our government has set for us (I'll have to look up the chapter/verse in the NT, but in there it says to obey the laws of the land).
But what if someone tries to use Leviticus to establish the "laws of the land"? Shouldn't we first determine which parts to use and which parts to throw away? I think that if we are going to be using Leviticus we need to firmly establish the criteria for determining what is useful. I really thing that common sense isn't going to be sufficient because it is clear that some things which are obvious to me are not obvious to others and vice versa.

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bob_gray
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Posts: 243
From: Virginia
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Message 62 of 259 (175492)
01-10-2005 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Tal
01-10-2005 4:04 AM


Re: Higher Laws
Tal,
I understand that it is not up to us to fulfill the law but according to your quote from Matthew shouldn't we still be following it?
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
It doesn't appear that everything has been accomplished yet.
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From post #49: Example of a levitical law you would like to see passed?
I have to admit there isn't one I want passed but I have heard people wanting to use Leviticus as the basis of legislation such as DOMA and Bush's "marriage is between one man and one woman" amendment. I was just trying to determine how one can pick one piece of Leviticus to legislate and not all of Leviticus. And if we are to use common sense then shouldn't we just do away with Leviticus entirely and just work from a "what is reasonable/fair" point of view?

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bob_gray
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Message 233 of 259 (177372)
01-15-2005 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Tal
01-15-2005 7:51 AM


Re: Evidence of Harm
Not that this has anything to do with morality but I would like to raise your paltry 2,350,000 total aids cases that you were able to muster by 15,000,000 women and children (under 15) with AIDS in Sub-Saharan Africa. (That was out of 23,000,000 cases.) My math isn't very strong; can you calculate for me the percentage of women and children who have AIDS as opposed to men?
Data | Be in the KNOW
I don’t remember who started the harm = immoral argument but you seemed to go along with it. If these numbers show that there is no more harm in being homosexual than heterosexual does that make both equally moral/immoral?
edited to correct a spelling error
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