Moral Judgments

But Jesus says to not even get angry. And to let him without sin cast the first stone..Where does it say this in the muslim book? Or other religions?We're not Jews Shraff. mike 138 - SHraff 0.

I don't reject the bible, I'm just not under the law. The NT says that if you're under the law - then the cross has no effect. "The law of sin and death" or the "law of the Spirit of life".We don't live by the law Shraff - you should know that this is not to reject the law - because Christ fulfilled it. Surely you know this by now Shraff?

Christ came to fulfill the law. - I didn't say the world ending would fulfill it. R U sure you're a logician? Because u planted a big boo boo strawman for the baba... Christ also said "It is finished" on the cross. Indeed, for those who accept the cross, it is accomplished. Yes - people can still follow the law, - Jews. But since I'm christian - I adhere to what the NT says, that Christ came to fulfill the law. He himself said this. I am not under the law - the NT says we have "the law of the Spirit of life" not the "law of sin and death". It says we are the "righteousness of God IN CHRIST". Therefore - he is our righteousness, and we therefore don't please God through the law. Re-read the NT, it agrees with me. Lol. Y do u think we r made in God's image? Because in the beginning was the Word. "I am before Abraham". I actually said that infact I'm not a Jew - that's all. They distance themselves from Christ - a Jew, but in reality - there simply isn't any other Messiah candidate.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 01-11-2005 17:07 AM

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As for me - I'm a constantly verying potentially undefined diffused mass, intrinsically shape shifting thus forming and re-forming in various gaseous nebulae. To locate my form in the context of energy, as defined by the limited homo sapien brain - one can follow the equation; energy = mike x creo speed² = Thus we now know the relevant nature of my true being to be 90000000000000 omni-mikes ~ mike the wiz ~

I'm sick and tired and offended of people quoting the bible, which they don't believe. You forget the premise that the Jewish also say there'd be a Messiah - you say there isn't and never has been - and don't believe in prophecy or Spirit or God or a Messiah.John 5:39; Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. I receive not honour from men. But I know you , that ye have not the love of God in you. I am come in my fathers name and ye receive me not. If another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. [EvC]--> How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?.I could trace every last scripture that mentions Christ. And like you, I could take quotes that serve my cause. But why? I've done it before - and you didn't hear me then. Will you hear me now? Have you changed from yesterday? Can I prove something? I think if I could, you wouldn't need to believe. So here is some of my own investigative bible searches. Despite believing - I very rarely abuse the bible by quoting it. But now I grow tired of people saying Jesus is not the Messiah all the time. So I'll prove nothing - and simply show why I believe this;Isaiah 6: 9; Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I, send me.
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not, and see ye indeed, but perceive not........Isaiah 6:10: (Lest people be converted and healed by hearing). Converted?
Isaiah 11:10 (The Gentiles will seek a route of Jesse). Do you know of this person?
Isaiah 7:14: (Born of a virgin, Immanuel ) Do you know of any Jew who was born of a virgin in scripture?
Isaiah 53; ( The sufferings of Christ foretold) It includes the person being wounded for our transgressions, with his stripes - us being healed, having done no violence, ) - Why would we be healed by someone's stripes? Doesn't the law require that we are the ones punished for our transgressions?But that's not mentioning him being a light unto the Gentiles. What Jew was a light for Gentiles? Nor Jeremiah, "He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS"........And the NT says, "We are the righteousness of God in Christ" - which I believe was ignored in my other post, as with everything else. Tell me - why would the Lord be our righteousness? Don't we have to be righteouss via the law of Moses?And so - who do you think the Jewish Messiah was then? I trust you have an answer? You must know of someone else that qualified.4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Proverbs 3017 and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 3Isaiah 53 4-6
He was wounded and crushed because of our sins;
by taking our punishment
he made us completely wellAll of us were like sheep that had wandered off
We had each gone our own way
but the Lord gave him
the punishment we deservedGenesis 49:9-12:"You are a lion's cub Oh Judah:
you return from the prey my son.
Like a lion he crouches and lies down,
like a lioness - who dares to rouse him?
The sceptre will not depart from Judah
nor the ruler's staff from between his feet
until he comes to whom it belongs
and the obedience of nations is his
He will tether his donkey to a vine
His colt to the choicest branch
but he will wash his garments in wine
His robes in the blood of grapes
His eyes will be darker than wine
His teeth whiter than milk."Zechariah 12:10And I will pour out a spirit of compassion and supplication on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that, when they look on the one whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God
Judges 13:5And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene
Matthew 2:23Zech 9:9Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation,
gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.Mark 11:7-11When they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their cloaks over it, he sat on it. Many people spread their cloaks on the road, while others spread branches they had cut in the fields. Those who went ahead and those who followed shouted,"Hosanna!"Zech 11:12 Btrayed for thirty pieces of silver Matt 26:13 - 14.
Isaiah 53:7 Remained silent before His accusers Mark 15:4-5.
Psalm 22:17-18 cast lots for His clothing Matt 27:35-36.
Psalm 34:20 No bones broken John 19:32-36.And we have the prophetic word made more sure. You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. --Who then can understand? You - a none-believer in prophecy or Spirit? Yes - after the Holocaust, the Jews returned. You mention what we consider the second coming events, that preced the Messiah.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 01-11-2005 20:32 AM