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ReverendDG
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Message 120 of 151 (265394)
12-04-2005 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by iano
12-03-2005 9:47 AM


Re: Definition of Christian
Well what about those who profess a belief in christ such as mormons or catholics, but are discounted by many other christians because of something else they believe in such as saints or the lost tribes in america?
or what about people who do things in the name of christ that are considered evil by many? are they not christian even though they believe as much as anyone, since its all about faith and not actions?
or is it purely arbitratry, and unset?

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ReverendDG
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Message 122 of 151 (265592)
12-04-2005 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by RAZD
12-04-2005 3:08 PM


Re: Definition of Christian
Oh yes, I forgot..
so when do i get to join the christian union? Do we get better wages if we pay our dues?

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ReverendDG
Member (Idle past 4140 days)
Posts: 1119
From: Topeka,kansas
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Message 125 of 151 (265844)
12-05-2005 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by iano
12-05-2005 6:26 AM


Re: Definition of Christian
Being a Christian has nothing to do with religious denomination. One can be of no denomintation. A Christian may live in a country where there are no Christian denominations of any kind. Denomination is irrelevant.
As far as I can see, denomination is relivent since there is no single enitity that can claim being the one true way, I'm sorry but I just don't see how denomination doesn't matter since a lot of them conflict on basic rules and on parts that are outside the NT
Christianity is a citizenship thing. Someone may be an infant Christianity-wise and hold on to all kinds of non-biblical view (or rather incorrect interpretations of what the bible says) but if they have been made a citizen it matters not. Citizenship is what counts. That act on Gods part which makes a person a citizen.
What defines "citizenship"?, this just seems arbitrary and less than a real answer
Take the old testament believers. They had no gospel doctrine to either agree or disagree with, Christ had not yet come. It doesn't matter. They are saved "in Christ" as much as the person today can be saved in Christ even though he lived 2000 years ago.
How would they be "in Christ" since they didn't believe he was anything but a man? how can you be in anything if you don't believe it? does belief suddenly not matter? I'm asking this because I know that like anyone, no one likes to have thier own beliefs dictated to them

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ReverendDG
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Message 146 of 151 (266665)
12-08-2005 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by iano
12-07-2005 9:16 AM


Re: Actually I may agree with iano
The analogy was trying to demonstrate that it may be possible that a person cannot know everything. That there are areas to which they are unable to gain insight. A person without a musical ear cannot tune a guitar by ear. No sweat. If someone is unable to know who is or isn't a Christian, what is the big deal. Why insist that it must be possible to know something you are unable to know?
Because some people like making sweeping statements like "well if they don't believe in a literal creation, they arn't cristian!"
isn't what god thinks and what man thinks two different things? as far as i can tell people have been pointing out that God has said what he views as a christian, which is a person who professes a belief in christ and follows what rules have been layed down by jesus.
But you seem to contend with that for some reason saying theres some obscure spiritual quality that you will not explain.
then there is the fact that you keep dismissing that people define a christian as a person saying they are a christian, but as far as i can tell this is the only earthly way we can tell a christian from a non-christian
this all seems like an enormous waste of time if you keep redefining things

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