Question about this so called World Wide Flood.

"It concerns life AFTER the alledged flood. 6 months of ocean water covering the entire earth would have killed all land vegetation and made it virtually impossible for anything to start growing right away. So what did the herbivores on the ark eat once they were off the ark? Also,what would the carnivores eat all this time aboard the ark...did Noah have a meat locker to keep the meat they would require from rotting? And what did they eat once they were off the ark? the herbivores certainly could not have enough offsprings quickly enough to establish a steady food supply for the many carnivores not to starve to death."
--For one, you still don't understand the Effects of the Flood, I would be happy to discuss this, but Flood questions are being delt with that I am participating with in 2 or 3 other forums, I would rather not get into another one, I am in about 9 or 11 keeping up with the posts.------------------

"Of course this very reasonable conclusion is contradicted by the Bible in its account of the flood. There was at least one fig tree growing even BEFORE the water completely subsided as Noah's little birdie went out and plucked a branch. "
--Why wouldn't there be?"As for TrueCreation: I do wish you'd inform me of the Effects of the Flood, especially explaining how exactly plants could survive several months of submersion. Maybe I'm thinking wrong here but I have grass that won't survive three days under a sheet of plywood. Try sticking a fig tree in water for a few months, then get back to me. I doubt even mature seeds would remain viable.
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--Good question, and the Good answer is they didn't survive. Seeds however did. And I do believe that while you may have good debate on their seed's survivability for later growth, your comment is subjective. Do you have reason for them unable to survive 40 - 365 days afloat in water?
--Also percipient may want to divert this topic to the Flood Geology room. But possibly not since it is a more biological question, though I know that we will end up getting into the earth science type questions later.------------------

"So now we have one to two weeks for this thing to grow large enough to branch, so that the bird can pluck a branch and take it to Noah. And olives don't grow fast enough."
--G-whiz, ll that analysis for nothing, it was an olive leaf, rather than a branch. Which was made clear as it also was newly sprouted. I would be careful of this type of misrepresentation. Many would accuse you of being deceitful or would stamp you as a liar."Actually, I do have reason to believe that seeds wouldn't survive 40 to 365 days afloat. For one, with few exceptions, living seeds don't float. And seeds as dense as an olive's certainly wouldn't. Dead seeds do tend to float. You can use this effect to weed out the dead ones before planting. (This suggests to me that the olives would be at the bottoms of the mountain not at the tops as per the assumptions I made earlier. But for the sake of argument...) Even so, the real issue is whether they would survive in water, floating or otherwise."
--A vast majority of seeds will survive in water, those which are unable, or no where on earth have been sustained with the proper conditions anywhere on earth, will die and go extinct. If you wish to play with probabilities, the numbers are going to be very high. So it isn't going to work well when the information may say that 'it is likely or, most of the time' seeds of different species are no longer able to germinate when deposited after this type of saturation."Put a seed in water and it will absorb water and pop. Or it will start to rot. I've done this. It is an easy phenomena to observe. Try it. I can't find any research on the topic however. Grains are especially vulnerable to this effect-- a fact that is more damning to creationism than the olive we are discussing."
--Thank you for that extra rhetoric on your dislike of creationism. By the way, this must mean it isn't very damning then.
--Also, your vagueness must imply that I can just shove any seed in the water and it will pop and/or rot. Maybe I should pick one which is known to survive for hundreds or thousands of years after it falls from the tree to the point of germination. Tell us when you do find this research."No grain, no staple food source for most of the plant-eaters on the ark; as stated in the original post by ludvanB (though grain was not mention by name)."
-- ? I think you need to reiterate that one, I don't understand what you are trying to get at.------------------

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[This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 06-09-2002]