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funkmasterfreaky:That doesn't make it less accurate. Less simply put, i thought it funny yesterday thinking about all these men mocking noah, a flood hahah you have to be kidding me you're so stupid and blah blah blah. Now today discussing the existance of the flood, men who don't love God say a flood hahaha that's the stupidest thing i ever heard you're an idiot how could you ever believe that. Ironic i think
Understanding that the flood is an origins myth that runs counter to so very much of our modern knowledge of the world has nothing to do with loving God. It seems to me that those who love God might realize that the existence of an ancient flood myth does not mean that God really destroyed most of the world in a fit of pique because his creation didn’t turn out quite the way he wanted it to. They might also realize that trying to insist that those who believe in God must also believe a myth that is so obviously false may be counter productive. You can probably find this sentiment expressed by members of the Affiliation of Christian Geologists and others.
http://www.wheaton.edu/ACG/
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There are a great many more things to learn about our earth, with the very small amount of data we have (in comparison to the amount out there yet uncollected) we must be very aarogant, creationist and evolutionist alike to think that we could draw any valid conclusions. Or am i out to lunch again?
I think you’re out to lunch again. There is a vast amount of evidence against a recent worldwide flood and no real evidence for it. No one who whose thinking was not dominated by the demand to justify the particular interpretation of Genesis that YECs believe would ever look at the evidence from paleontology, archeology, biogeography and biodiversity, just for starters, and conclude that there is any support for the YEC flood myth. There are multiple falsifications of the flood myth as science, several of them are discussed on this board. There are many scientists who started out believing this myth who realized that it could not be supported by science in any way including the creationist geologists who first realized that the earth was far older than the Biblical genealogies allow and that the flood of Noah may be based on a local event, but was not worldwide.
Phillip posted this much earlier on this thread.
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--I’ve seen tree branches spring to life after being cut off by the roots (several months). You may have to.
Creationists often claim that trees could regrow from shoots after the flood. In my experience this is false. I have planted trees from shoots. You have ten days to two weeks tops to get them in the ground or they die and you can't just throw them down. You make a small hole and place them in it. I also asked my father who has planted thousands trees of several different species this way over the years. He agrees that you don’t have a lot of time to get the shoots planted. New trees will spring from cut off stumps but not if they are buried under the thousands of feet of sedimentary layers that were supposedly deposited by the flood. I have pointed out before that it should be easy for creation scientists to prove that seeds and plants could survive the worldwide flood. Just put a lot seeds and tree cuttings other vegetation in salty water for a year. Then dump them over ground that had been under water for a year. You should really wash off the topsoild by a great flood but I won’t insist. See how much grows. Somehow I don’t think they really want to do this experiment.
Of course, if you really wanted to do it right you could do this over a large area and then let loose two of each common kind of predator and two of each common kind of prey species( seven or 14 in a few cases) in the same area with it enclosed to prevent encroachment and see what was alive after a year or two. I’ll even let you throw in a few rotting carcasses for the predators to live on for a while, like some YECs claim they did. You couldn’t really do this experiment of course since everything would eventually starve to death but I hope you get the point.
YECs often try to draw false conclusions about Mt. Saint Helens and the flood. However, it is instructive to go to the volcano site. One thing you will see is that all the trees in the area are approximately the same size. There are a lot of fur trees that were planted and some volunteers of various types like alder and maple. Even twenty years later they are not very big though they are a lot bigger than they were fifteen years ago. Now think about all those species that live in or on trees coming off the ark in the midst of hungry predators with no significant trees to live in or on for many years. Do you wonder how they survived or do you just assume God took care of them somehow? Maybe he made trees spring up overnight all around the world. OK, if you insist this can't be absolutley disproven. Just don’t call it science.
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You do not know the flood did not happen. You would conclude as such. Again here is a foolish statement like you would see me making, being very bull headed. We seem much alike in this department. please forgive me if you found that offensive, it was not meant in such a manner.
Perhaps we don’t know that the flood didn’t happen but we do know that if it did happen God went to a lot of effort to make a post-flood world that looked as if it had been around for billions of years, with multiple ice ages and continental drift and went to great pains to conceal any evidence of this worldwide flood. I suppose God could have teletransported the marsupials to Australia and ordered the fossil record in some myterious way and made sure that animals that were buried deeper in the fossil record went extinct first and made sure that all the animals that weren't buried deep survived and somehow preserved thousand of insect species that couldn't survive on or off the ark and left all that evidence of continental drift and ice ages since God can presumably do anything but such a view gives up any pretense that there is any scientific basis to young earth creationism, which would of course seem necessary because there isn't.
Randy
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