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Author Topic:   The Universal Moral Law & Devolution since the Fall
Righteous Skeptic
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Message 87 of 189 (348552)
09-12-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Archer Opteryx
09-11-2006 6:04 AM


never mind.
Edited by Righteous Skeptic, : too late

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Righteous Skeptic
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Message 89 of 189 (348557)
09-12-2006 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by ReverendDG
09-12-2006 10:23 PM


Re: inclination = deed?
ReverendDG writes:
I'm starting to think that christian fundies equate "The Fall" with original sin, rather than realizing that the fall has little to do with original sin.
What? The Fall has everything to do with original sin.
Paul writes:
12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned”
Original sin is what is in every human being from birth, the natural sin that is in us all. This sin came through Adam, the process of sin coming into the world through Adam is called the Fall.
If you want to read the rest of the passage for context, it's at Romans 5 NIV - Peace and Hope - Therefore, since we - Bible Gateway

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Righteous Skeptic
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Message 90 of 189 (348560)
09-12-2006 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
09-12-2006 11:01 PM


Re: inclination = deed?
Hey Faith,
What do you mean when you say the Fall and Original Sin are synonomous? Original sin is a result of the Fall, the two are related(cause and effect), but they're not the exact same thing.

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Righteous Skeptic
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Message 94 of 189 (348578)
09-13-2006 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by jar
09-12-2006 11:34 PM


Re: Paul spins another one.
There is no Fall in Genesis.
There is no Fall? I assume that we're all talking about the same
thing, the transition from a perfect world in which there is no sin,
to a fallen world in which every human being is born with sin. If
we're talking about that Fall, then I don't know what Bible you're
reading from.
In Genesis 2 God gives a command to Adam and Eve.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
In Genesis 3 both disobey the command
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
If I'm correct disobeying a command from God is called sinning.
Unless we need to go over the definition of sin?
Also in Chapter 3 of Genesis, God punishes both Adam and Eve for
their sin by sending them out of the garden, and cursing them. Not
too long after Cain commits murder by killing Abel. So, before Adam
ate the fruit, there was no sin, but afterwards, there is clearly
sin. I think we can conclude that Adam brought sin into the world.
That action resulted in the Fall, where humans were no longer born perfect.
I think I've made my point.

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