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arachnophilia
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Message 18 of 113 (414583)
08-05-2007 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
08-05-2007 12:01 AM


genesis 1... reading metaphorically
if we're going to use genesis, let's pay attention to the things it actually says, shall we?
Universe = never happened - always existed with God forever managing via creating, revising and destroying for his own purpose and pleasure.
"the heavens" which contain the sun and moon and stars are created on day two.
quote:
And God said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Genesis 1:6-8
Earth = Unknown
earth is created on day three.
quote:
And God said: 'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas; and God saw that it was good. ... And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
Genesis 1:8-10, 13
Plants=Unknown
plants are also created on day three.
quote:
And God said: 'Let the earth put forth grass, herb yielding seed, and fruit-tree bearing fruit after its kind, wherein is the seed thereof, upon the earth.' And it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, herb yielding seed after its kind, and tree bearing fruit, wherein is the seed thereof, after its kind; and God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day.
Genesis 1:11-13
these actions appear to be complete, as god then moves on.
Universe= Again never, being eternal.
Planet Earth = Non-solar days one and two.
Plants=Non-solar day three
Sun, Moon, Solar System and possibly Milky Way= partially non-solar day four.
Birds, sea life = Solar day five
Animals and man = Solar day six.
why the distinction when the text does not make it?


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arachnophilia
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Message 40 of 113 (414692)
08-05-2007 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
08-05-2007 12:37 PM


Re: genesis 1... Reading Literally
ok, fine. reading literally.
Genesis 1:1 begins with an introductory statement to the effect that when the earth and heavens were created God did it. The actual day one does not begin until the Spirit begins to move upon the desolate void earth. The days are relative to the work being done on each day.
All we know for sure about the length of days one, two, three is that their was no means of determining the days since the sun, moon, solar system, and stars relative to earth did not exist and the length of day four is undetermined also. Therefore the length of those days in not known except for which day.
the days are defined, as evenings + morning. just like every other day. the sum of these days forms the model for the work week, which is neccessarily 7 days.
if we are reading literally, they are seven 24 hour days, and form the literal basis for the week. if we are reading metaphorically, they could be abstract periods of time (a reading i disagree with). either way, there is no shift in the language, and no distinction made by the text. the days are all the same basic units.
it's simply a fact of the text that you have to accept -- there is light before the sun. there is daytime before the sun. the days opperate on the same principles before the creation of the sun as they do after.
I edited a change on length of days on plants as that was my mistake in my statement. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
while admitting your mistakes is honest, editting posts to cover them up is not. we all make mistakes.
Genesis 1:1's introductory statement is about the cosmos and the planet earth, not the firmament between the earth waters and sky waters/clouds which are relative to only the earth's atmosphere, so day three is not when planet earth was created nor is day two when the cosmos heavens were created.
another false distinction. why does "heaven" mean one thing in one verse, but something completely different only seven verses later? clearly, they are the same thing.
This thread topic is about your take on the creation account. Why not itemize your own as I have done?
i believe i did just that, though not to completion.


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