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Rei
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Message 79 of 307 (76293)
01-02-2004 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by johnfolton
01-02-2004 4:49 PM


Re: How Could Saltwater and Freshwater Fish Survive the Flood?
Whatever,
I can't understand this message. Please go back and use proper quote tags (and elimate as much material that doesn't need to be quoted as possible) to make it more readable. We can't tell who is saying what without a lot of work.

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Rei
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Message 83 of 307 (76307)
01-02-2004 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by johnfolton
01-02-2004 6:26 PM


Re: How Could Saltwater and Freshwater Fish Survive the Flood?
Talk to someone who owns a tropical aquarium some time. You have to baby those things like you wouldn't imagine; it costs over 100$ a month just to keep a small home tropical aquarium alive. The initial investment is quite large too, because you need all sorts of monitoring equipment and precise lighting conditions. The bulbs my mother has to buy cost 40$ each.
We're just talking about *keeping them alive*. Let alone actually having them breed.
Freshwater aquariums, by comparison, will take whatever you can throw at them. Tropical ecosystems are incredibly delicate.
Why? There are many reasons, such as how they're adapted to a relatively unchanging environment, and as a consequence, have grown reliant on this in terms of osmosis, feeding cycles, etc. However, even more important is the issue of light: corals, anenomes, etc, are reliant not only on animal material, but even more importantly light. Not just any light, but the right kind of unfiltered intense light. Inside them, they host specialized zooxanthelae algae; with 30 days of cloudcover, even if the creatures themselves were lucky enough to survive, the algae would die, dooming the host.
Your concept of corals just going to "seed" would kill everything else on the reef. Even anenomefish - probably one of the easiest types of tropical fish to breed and keep alive - don't stand a chance without a fully established reef environment.

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."
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Rei
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Message 86 of 307 (76324)
01-02-2004 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by johnfolton
01-02-2004 8:29 PM


Re: How Could Saltwater and Freshwater Fish Survive the Flood?
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Hovind always brings interesting insites to the biblical flood, like when he brings up how salty the oceans are today, and if the biblical flood didn't happen, then why are not the ocean mineral salts that of the dead sea, if this hydrologic water cycle existed for billions of years, even the sea spray washes back into the oceans, so why is the oceans only 3.6 % mineral salts, for it should be a whole lot more salt, as all salts dilute into the sea.
Where do you think the salt that's running down to the sea comes from? It comes from areas that used to be underwater. Haven't you ever heard of plate tectonics and inland seas? Salt is actually a problem for a flood - how were salt domes being deposited in the flood?
quote:
if the oceans straified
Strata in a flood that is supposed to have reworked the very face of continents?
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negating the loss of habitat until they needed coral reefs
Ah... until instantly?
quote:
P.S. Found Hovinds article talking about that aquarium, and your right its not like documented or anything, but when one sees the coho salmon, breeding in fresh water, and living its life in the ocean
Yes, and they have special mechanisms to allow them to do this that most aquatic life doesn't.
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Several years ago, a man in Minnesota told me that he had two large aquariums in his house, one fresh water and the other salt water. He wondered if he could mix the fish together so he figured out how to slowly raise the salt content in the fresh water aquarium a little each week for 10 years until it was 1.8% salt. At the same time, he was lowering the salt content in the salt water aquarium to 1.8% salt. After 10 years he mixed all the fish together. He told me they adapted fine.
He's also a bloody liar. Talk to someone who has a saltwater aquarium some time. My parents don't have to spend 100$ a month on chemicals a month for nothing. You can't "adapt" them - if you're off by just a tiny bit, they just plain die.
P.S. - Do you know what flood layers look like when they're deposited?

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illuminate me."

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Rei
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Message 132 of 307 (76635)
01-05-2004 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by johnfolton
01-05-2004 12:19 PM


whatever, you are off topic. Please move this reply to the thread that JonF provided.

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illuminate me."

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Rei
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Message 135 of 307 (76654)
01-05-2004 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by johnfolton
01-04-2004 11:25 PM


quote:
roxrkool, I like the idea of plates crushing under the continental plates, only because its impossible for rock to bend to subduct down, so it had to of crushed under the plates, etc...
Learn physics. Here's some keywords to start you on your journey:
Tensile strain.
Shear strain.
Tensile stress.
Shear stress.
Bulk modulus.
Young's modulus.
Poisson's ratio.
Shear modulus.
Learn how these properties change under temperature.
These things are incredibly well understood, and pretty much everyone who takes a college physics course (or even a high school physics course, depending on the school and the course) will cover them.
I'll never get over how people who have never studied a lick of science in their life so readily throw away everything that has been learned and tested over the ages as if they're some sort of omniscient being. How haughty can you get to think that you, who has never studied a thing about the subject, knows more than the entire scientific community who relies on these things every day? Not only researchers do - these things are, for example, critical to architecture. Every bridge that is constructed, every skyscraper erected, every engine in the design room, every airplane wing planned, all rely completely on these basic tenants of physics.
Who are you to think you know better than almost every professional engineer in the world?

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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