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Percy
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Message 173 of 307 (82356)
02-02-2004 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by simple
02-02-2004 9:07 PM


Who Said That?
Just for future reference, your style of quoting makes it impossible, at least for me, to tell who's saying what.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 275 of 307 (82722)
02-03-2004 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by simple
02-03-2004 3:55 PM


Simple's False Accusation of Scientific Cheating
simple writes:
I was talking about the fact that these daters got 'caught' quite often. using this to call into question their unerring accuracy.
Caught? Can you tell us more about scientists getting caught falsifying their dates? Who were they? When? Who caught them?
One of the reasons we can trust the dates is because they're replicated. This replication is done in two ways. First, a date isn't accepted until at least a few research groups have repeated the same dating. Second, each research group submits their samples to multiple labs.
Here are a few pages from Brent Dalrymple's book The Age of the Earth containing tables of the research results of many research groups, one table for Greenland, another table (on two pages) for the moon:
Peruse the columns and see how uniform the dates are for the most ancient rocks across all the numerous research groups. Just looking down the Greenland table, here are the first few dating results:
2.53 billion years old
2.52 billion years old
2.58 billion years old
3.02 billion years old
2.98 billion years old
...
Here's a list of the methods used for the first few results:
Rb-Sr (Rubidium-Strontium)
Rb-Sr (Rubidium-Strontium)
Pb-Pb (Lead-Lead)
U-Pb (Uranium-Lead)
Pb-Pb (Lead-Lead)
Rb-Sr (Rubidium-Strontium)
...
You're in essence accusing the following people from just the first few lines of the Greenland dates of making up results and colluding with each other to get conforming dates and covering up the cheating:
Moorbath
P. N. Taylor
Goodwin
Pankhurst
Baadsgaard
McGregor
...
Is this what you believe of all science, that scientists just make it up? We didn't really go to the moon, we just shot pictures and movies in slow motion? Opportunity and Spirit aren't really on Mars, the scientists just spend all their time and effort (and the government's money) faking it? Nuclear reactors don't really work? Geologic analyses are false and we don't really find oil and minerals, and all the data about oil and mineral reserves are faked and we're going to run out very soon? Secret factories in the mid-west churn out fossils for scientists to plant in the ground, and nuclear scientists seed the ground with the right amount of radiometric isotopes to date correctly? Is this what you believe?
And nobody ever blows the whistle on all this? No scientist ever had a crises of conscience and just blew the whistle on the whole huge conspiracy? Thousands of university graduates join the ranks of scientists every year, and they all just go along with it, not a single one is repulsed at the invitation to participate in a massive deciption and blows the whistle? No documents outlining the conspiracy and collusion have ever been found? The conspiracy just goes on and on and on, and the only people who have figured out what's going on are members of a Christian religious sect who, by the the most unexpected of coincidences, believe scientific views on these subjects contradict their religious beliefs?
Pretty ridiculous, right?
Argue the evidence. Stop accusing people you don't know of reprehensible acts of deception that they couldn't possibly get away with anyway.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 287 of 307 (82752)
02-03-2004 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by simple
02-03-2004 5:03 PM


simple writes:
I've read many cases where the results were comically way off in dates. The whole method has been 'caught' a good number of times! Busted.
I ask you again: Who was caught? When? By whom?
You listed I presume some bigwigs involved in the dating process, as if I meant they were fraudulent.
They're anonymous researchers.
So, regardless of one's name, or job, there has been errors.
Name a process involving people not fraught with error, including this one. The way you eliminate error is through the gathering of evidence and through replication.
My other points still stand. If you're right that the dates are off by 4.5 billion years, then much of science as we know it is false, and most scientists must be in on the conspiracy. You're not thinking through the ridiculous implications of your position.
Please back up your claims about dating fraud with evidence. Who did it? When? Who caught them?
--Percy

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