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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ringo, if the mountains rose as per Psalms 108 that means they were lower before they rose as per the ASV Bible which imo is the most accurate having been translated from the older manuscripts than the KJV. And exactly what is your evidence that the mountains were lower or that the mountains rose or the model which explains either? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Using logic and reasoning all I can offer as a layman is that a greenhouse canopy type atmosphere would have had different properties than ours which would likely affect the whole ecosystem of the planet which in turn would likely render modern dating methodoly inaccurate. And where is your evidence there ever was a "greenhouse canopy type atmosphere" (whatever the hell that means) and the model that explains it? Where is the evidence that it would effect dating methods and the model that explains it?
This would likely be the reason that humans lived multiple century lives as per the Biblical record. Where is the evidence "that humans lived multiple century lives" and the model that explains it? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar, likely you will agree that the mountains were uplifted via tectonic activity relative to movement/collision of tectonic plates which formed the planet's present morphology. Is that correct? Slowly, very slowly as we have seen.
If that is the case, the question is what caused the movement and uplift due to the plate collision etc. No Buz, that is not the question. We have a model that fully explains what is seen.
We Bible-creos go with the Bibical historical record as we apply reason and logic factoring in all the corroborating data that gives us reason to lend credence to that record. That historical record factors in a global flood. This topic is not about plate tectonics perse, so don't expect me to digress into that topic to any significant extent. That is the model you MUST supply. If as usual you simply refuse to supply the model that explains how you create all them mountains in just a year, you as usual, have nothing. So once again Buz, where is the model? What are the specifics? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I said I apply reason and logic to all the corroborating evidence for the Biblical historical record. Since you vehemently deny that we Bible-creos use reason and logic, there's no logical reason for us to discuss it. So you keep asserting. So since you claim to use reason and logic and all the corroborating evidence , here is your opportunity to present your model. What is needed is a model that explains ALL of the evidence seen. And where is your evidence there ever was a "greenhouse canopy type atmosphere" (whatever the hell that means) and the model that explains it? Where is the evidence that it would effect dating methods and the model that explains it? Where is the evidence "that humans lived multiple century lives" and the model that explains it? Waiting for the model Buz. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Unless, of course, there was a Biblical flood to do the major uplifting relative suddenly, subsequently gradually slowing as time passes. There again though that's applying reason and logic to what we observe and that's not recognized by conventional science. I'm sorry Buz but your simple assertion is worthless. Pretending there was some imaginary flood is worthless. You need evidence and a model. Where is the evidence that the mountains were lower? Where is the evidence the mountains were raised rapidly? Where is the model. Just throwing out fantasies is not building a model. First you need evidence that the mountains were lower. Start with just that. Where is your evidence that the mountains were lower? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Seashells on tops of mountains! It's even the topic heading! Okay, so you are asserting that the places we see sea shells was at one time at sea level. Is that correct? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Still waiting for you to provide the material requestion in Message 64, Message 65, Message 69 and Message 72.
Or, as usual, do you simply have nothing to support your position? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity. Then where is the model that shows how a food will induce tectonic acivity that will move a continental plate. Until you present the model that explains it, you are simply tossing manure. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What effect would trillions of tons of additional water have upon the surface of a planet having relatively smoother surface than is observed today with depression areas of thin earth crust and areas of thick earth crust? Imo, it would cause immense tectonic activity, moving large and small plates so as to create such mountains as Everest. Just tossing out a WAG means nothing Buz. First you need to show the model for what you are asserting. Where is the evidence for those trillions of tons of water? If the surface was relatively smoother, would the average thickness of the crust be greater or lessor than it is today? (Hint, take that part of the crust that today is above sea level and place in that part of the surface that is below sea level today.) Please explain not only why tectonic activity would be the result but also the model that would explain the plate movements. Why does trillions of tons of water today not do even more on the even thinner crust that resulted from your flight of fancy? Where is your model buz? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jar, as I thought I made clear, you're not debating a scientist or geologist. You're debating logic and reason. If you demand more, I'm afraid you're not going to get what you want, as we have no resident Biblical geologists on board so far as I am aware. Sorry, buz, but you are the one making the assertions and are being asked to back them up. Please explain how if the surface of the earth were more uniform than it is today, the average thickness of the crust would be thinner than it is now? If that part that is today mountains and above sea level were actually below sea level, would the average crust be thicker or thinner? If 5+ miles of water today does not push the continental plates around how did it once do so and within the period necessary for the Great Wetting that Never Happened, AKA "The Flood"? AbE: 'nudder hint. What happens when you shovel the dirt from a pile into a hole? Edited by jar, : give buz another hint. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you use the Little Green Reply button at the bottome right of a message, it will link your reply. Please consider that so folk have a clue what message it is you are replying to.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith is always welcome over at the world wide word.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you claiming that you have never seen oyster beds rise and fall with the tides?
Sheesh; Have you ever even considered the evidence? Young inexperienced seashells obviously could climb up never to return.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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