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Minnemooseus
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Message 11 of 343 (425612)
10-03-2007 6:41 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Taz
10-02-2007 8:23 PM


The message 4 diagram
Um, I think you misunderstand the demonstration of that drawing.
I'm not really understanding it either, and I have a geology degree.
Back in message 4 you say:
A world wide flood responsible for the deposition of these fossils would have distributed them at aproximately the same elevations throughout the world.
Are you saying the would be at the same elevations because the same type critters would be at the same depth? You know, shallow water life forms vs. deep water life forms.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 202 of 343 (513427)
06-28-2009 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Hyroglyphx
06-28-2009 3:36 PM


Your geologic concepts are rather flawed
Earthquakes occur forming mountains of earth by pushing up multiple layers of strata that was once a few feet above sea level.
Various tectonic processes cause the uplift of mountains. Earthquakes may well be a byproduct, but are not really the cause. The uplifted material may or may not have an above sea level origin. Certainly, if the materials are marine origin sediments, then the origins are from below sea level.
The mounds calcify and become what is known now as mountains.
Actually, the limestone sediment was formed in the marine environment, largely biogeneticly. In other words, the limestone (calcium carbonate) of the rock itself is produced by organisms.
All the sediment and the shells went with them during the process of subduction.
Although there may well be related subduction activity, tectonic uplift is not subduction.
Or something like that. Further comment from our staff of geotypes is welcome.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 215 of 343 (513841)
07-02-2009 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Hyroglyphx
07-01-2009 8:22 AM


Mountain building (orogeny)
Sorry about not giving more information in my previous message. I wasn't really up to posting much, but I felt I couldn't let your less than accurate information just pass.
I do have a geology degree, but it and the course including mountain building was 30 years ago. I wasn't that strong on it back then, and I've forgotten much since then.
Orogeny - Wikipedia
quote:
Physiography
The process of orogeny can take tens of millions of years and build mountains from plains or even the ocean floor. Orogeny can occur due to continental collision or volcanic activity. Frequently, rock formations that undergo orogeny are severely deformed and undergo metamorphism. During orogeny, deeply buried rocks may be pushed to the surface. Sea bottom and near shore material may cover some or all of the orogenic area. If the orogeny is due to two continents colliding, the resulting mountains can be very high (see Himalaya).
Orogeny usually produces long linear structures, known as orogenic belts. Generally, orogenic belts consist of long parallel strips of rock exhibiting similar characteristics along the length of the belt. Orogenic belts are associated with subduction zones, which consume crust, produce volcanoes, and build island arcs. These island arcs may be added to a continent during an orogenic event.
I'm not real happy with the above quoted information, but I don't offhand have anything better to offer.
Perhaps the best case study is the Appalachian orogeny, of which the Alleghenian orogeny is apparently synonymous and/or the most significant event. Other earlier Appalachian region orogenies are the Taconic orogeny and the Acadian orogeny.
Though I would like to ask what was wrong with subduction as opposed to uplift? Don't you need subduction to happen before any uplift occurs?
In short, orogeny is caused by continental collision. It would seem that this would require the subduction of oceanic crust prior to the collision. This subduction event probably would be considered part of the orogenic event.
In all, study of an orogenic event can be complex. But the above cited material can hopefully function as a starting point for further discussion.
Please, no POTM nominations for this dog of a posting.
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 217 of 343 (513846)
07-02-2009 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by pandion
07-02-2009 2:03 AM


References please
Of course, the subduction of one tectonic plate under another causes volcanic activity. And that is true of the subduction of the Indian plate under the Asian plate. The Deccan Traps are evidence of the collision of two major land masses.
References for the subduction zone related origin of the Deccan volcanics, please.
Per here, they are:
quote:
It is postulated that the Deccan Traps eruption was associated with a deep mantle plume. The area of long-term eruption (the hotspot), known as the Runion hotspot, is suspected of both causing the Deccan Traps eruption and opening the rift that once separated the Seychelles plateau from India. Seafloor spreading at the boundary between the Indian and African Plates subsequently pushed India north over the plume, which now lies under Runion island in the Indian Ocean, southwest of India. The mantle plume model has, however, been challenged.
The Deccan Traps are of basaltic composition, for which the deep mantle plume hypothesis would seem to make sense. Not subduction zone related volcanism, but independent of needing any plate collision (although they did happen at the same time).
Moose

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