Seashells on tops of mountains.

First the text says that the waters prevailed upon the "high hills." Then the "mountains" were covered.Moving on to Psalms 104:6,7 we read that the earth was covered with "the deep" and "the waters stood above the mountains." Psalms 104:7 the waters go away. Thunder is mentioned here, likely a first as was the rainbow (as per Genesis) In Psalms 108 we read of the mountains rising up (likely to much higher elevations and the valleys sinking down. So the lower mountains (hills) rose up after being covered by the deep and the valleys sank down, likely forming the deeper oceans which now cover some 70% of the earth's surface. This all likely after the rains stopped. As the valleys/oceans etc sank the mountain ranges rose giving the effect of waters receeding and dry land appearing. Likely evaporation was only one of the means causing the waters to receed and dry land to appear. They likely rose up with the mountains since the above series of texts indicates lower mountains/hills before the flood, taking less water to cover the earth than by the elevation of mountains which we observe. Perhaps (I say 'perhaps) the massive faulting, sliding and movement of terrain via breaking natural dams and so forth layered fossil beds.I'm applying logic and reason to the Biblical historical record and applying it to what is observed as well for what it's worth. To me all of the varied manifestations of corroborating evidence relative to the Biblical record renders it of significant worth. To you, most assuredly not from what we read of you. Edited by Buzsaw, : Rephrase for clarity

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Imo, since the ocean crusts average much thinner than the continental crusts by about 6 or 7 times thinner, likely the massive flood waters flowing to the lower thinner crust valleys caused a great amount of tectonic movement of both the larger 7 plates and the more numerous smaller plates causing tectonic plate collisions and uplift etc. This activity would no doubt do a great deal of mountain forming including the larger ranges which tend to be near the coastlines of the oceans, imo making flood sense.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Psalms 104:6-9

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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As I said about all I can offer is logic and reasoning which I have done regarding the seashell.Other than that, I remember finding petrified sea squib at my dad's ranch back in the 1950s (at about the 6000' elevation) on the Shoshoni Indian Reservation near Lander Wyo where I grew up in the foothills of the Wind River Range. The U of Missouri also had a geology fossil camp at about the 10,000' elevation just above where my dad's ranch was. I don't know what all they found in those fossil beds. The reason I know the things on the ranch were petrified sea squib is because I took some samples into Lander and was informed so by a trained geologist. These were shaped like the tip of a deer antler and about an inch and a half to two inches long as I recall. There were a lot of them to be found on the ranch acerage there. Back then a white could lease Indian land if no Indians opted for the lease.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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I'm not sure what effect the releasing of the subterranian waters would have. Logically, perhaps the sinking of the valleys by the massive weight of the flood water exerted pressure on the earth's surface in the lower areas to effect this.Yes, I agree also about the disintegration of the vapor canopy. Thus the first rains, rainbow and thunder etc.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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As per the thread topic, more important is whether a preflood planet earth as well as it's atmosphere would have been different than it is today. Imo that is the big question as to the accuracy of dating methodology.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Using logic and reasoning all I can offer as a layman is that a greenhouse canopy type atmosphere would have had different properties than ours which would likely affect the whole ecosystem of the planet which in turn would likely render modern dating methodoly inaccurate. This would likely be the reason that humans lived multiple century lives as per the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Ringo, if the mountains rose as per Psalms 108 that means they were lower before they rose as per the ASV Bible which imo is the most accurate having been translated from the older manuscripts than the KJV.Btw, being a layman, usage of the word "likely" is my disclaimer, so as not to be accused of acting like a know-it-all. Abe: We Bible-creos must be doubly careful, you know with the vast majority ever watchful for anything to nail us on. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add Sentence.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Nuggin. I checked around and see that this problem arises with both ideologies. I found a site which may offer some reasons for dating variations relative to contamination within the same fossil beds. The following paragraph is taken from the site but there's a lot more at the site relative to this: http://www.clarku.edu/...n/map_expose/someapps_flourine.html

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Jar, likely you will agree that the mountains were uplifted via tectonic activity relative to movement/collision of tectonic plates which formed the planet's present morphology. Is that correct?If that is the case, the question is what caused the movement and uplift due to the plate collision etc. We Bible-creos go with the Bibical historical record as we apply reason and logic factoring in all the corroborating data that gives us reason to lend credence to that record. That historical record factors in a global flood. This topic is not about plate tectonics perse, so don't expect me to digress into that topic to any significant extent.

I said I apply reason and logic to all the corroborating evidence for the Biblical historical record. Since you vehemently deny that we Bible-creos use reason and logic, there's no logical reason for us to discuss it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Unless, of course, there was a Biblical flood to do the major uplifting relative suddenly, subsequently gradually slowing as time passes. There again though that's applying reason and logic to what we observe and that's not recognized by conventional science.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Bathtime, bedtime and church on Sabbath. So long.

I cited the Galley Hill Skeleton segment which addresses the contamination factor best which was sufficient to make my point so far as I can see. What has your question got to do with anything?

1. What is your soarce of winged pigs and/or an uplift fairy.2. If even have a source, what corroborating evidence do you have that your source has any credibility?3. Is there any geological observable evidence that something other than tectonic activity caused the uplift? What do you do with the corroborative evidence of the credibility of the Biblical historical record? Perhaps if you took the time to assimilate and assemble it all, you would think about reconsideration.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.