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Author Topic:   Cdesign proponentist troll recruiting center
Dawn Bertot
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Message 78 of 107 (589483)
11-02-2010 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Nij
11-02-2010 7:45 PM


When presented with the evidence you request so often, instead of applying rationality to it, you dive off into another tirade of "No True Scotsman", begging the question and circular logic fallacies.
once again instead of presenting evidence, you claim it has been presented. I cant respond to something that is NOT there.
ill give you this simple challenge. provide one piece of "evidence" you say i have not responded to and we will see if what you are saying is true, that is if i have avoided it or that you simply disagree with it
It's a little difficult to tell whether you know you're wrong and are deliberately trolling, or whether you're just another moronic creotard with its own spin on science, reality, logic and the definitions thereof. Either way, I'm not dealing with you any more. It's not worth the effort.
Its hard for you understand (tell) because you have not been presented with the information in this manner before. This is recognizable by your frustration
Is it worth the effort to present one point that i have not responded to
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 79 of 107 (589484)
11-02-2010 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Dr Adequate
11-02-2010 6:29 PM


Re: What, judges cant be idiots like yourselves?
The cdesign proponentists need to actually do some "observation, investigation, experimentation, conclusions, predictions" rather than you reciting it like a mantra. That would be kinda the missing step --- the step between saying stuff and doing it.
Please tell me specifically what "doing it" is, that we have not already done, that does not follow your pattern of the S and M,
Do you have any specifics?
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 80 of 107 (589485)
11-02-2010 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Nij
11-02-2010 7:45 PM


You refuse to consider something not derived from your idiosyncratic point-of-view and completely ignore any explanation of others. Rather than address the points raised, you get defensive and complain about "tyranny" and playing ad hominem games.
trust me it is not my intention to be evasive, so could you please present the POINTS RASIED, i have falied to address
This shouldnt be to hard, eh
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 81 of 107 (589488)
11-02-2010 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Dirk
11-02-2010 6:52 PM


Re: Final exam questions
Anyway, in order to stay on topic, you are saying that we are not allowed to comment on the courses that are given in those institutions? I mean, we even gave some suggestions for improvement. Surely that must be appreciated. And even if it's not, I'm sure that all comments were still made in the utmost sincerety, and that no one here was trying to set them up.
Would you like for me to go back and quote the "sincerety" passages, disguised as insult, disgust and contempt?.. I can do that if you wish.
Sincerety my arse. You cant even be honest about sincerety
Geeees
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 83 of 107 (589507)
11-03-2010 1:42 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Adequate
11-02-2010 9:31 PM


Re: Suggestion
Yes. I suggest that they produce a hypothesis having predictive power, so that it is in principle testable and so amenable to the scientific method.
Any further specifics will have to depend on what that hypothesis is.
Two people from two different backgrounds may not understand the way in which a term is being used, such as "predictive."
How are you using this term and specifically what do you mean by it.
Can you give me an example in your methodology of why this will produce an event that cannot be demonstrated by ID?
What exacally does the totality of evolution predict?
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Posts: 3571
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Message 90 of 107 (589754)
11-04-2010 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Dr Adequate
11-03-2010 2:51 AM


Re: Suggestion
The predictions of a hypothesis are the necessary consequences of it being true.
Really, thank you. Your impressive.
Bertot writes:
Can you give me an example in your methodology of why this will produce an event that cannot be demonstrated by ID?
Ill try this again and see if you try avoiding it again. Answer the question
What exacally does the totality of evolution predict that is different than IDs methodology
It makes predictions in a number of fields such as morphology, embryology, paleontology, genetics, behavioral ecology and biogeography.
However we have strayed far enough from the topic of this thread without me giving you a crash course in Evolution For Absolute Beginners.
Instead if repeading what I asked you, perhaps you could give me an example that is different than IDs methods. Since the scientific method is superior.
So what predictions does evo make and how are its basic scientific methods different than IDs, to make it more acceptable
Examples this time, not repetitions of my questions, reworded
This should be fun to watch
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Posts: 3571
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Message 93 of 107 (589760)
11-04-2010 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Larni
11-03-2010 4:45 AM


Re: Final exam questions
That is not the case. ID has never, anywhere established any evidence that supports the notion that life was designed by a supernatural designer i.e. Yaweh.
Ill try and keep this simple so you caan understand. Larni we are looking at cold hard facts, I am not positing the idea of a creator.
We are establishing what we can from physical properties. In your case change and natural selection, in mine order and design. That is what the evidence allows us.
Since these are the only conclusions the evidence willl allow, and both can be established logically and physically, both are therefore scienctific in there approach
I agree that ToE has no nearing on anybodies beliefs in the supernatural but how on Earth does the fequency of allele change over time mean that matter is eternal?
Good question and an easy one to answer. Every position dealing with physical reallities needs to poist its initiation source, or atleast attempt to find its source if one is to be completely logical and scientific.
Logic and reality only allow two conclusions.
Saying one does not need to worry about such a question is both unscientific and illogical.
So If I am consistently required to provide a designer, then one would need to provide that matter is eternal for thier conclusion to be completely valid and completely scientific in nature
No TRUE scientific method would disregard its initiation source
Now watch and pay close attention. If neither of us requires such n our arguments then we both have to use only the available evidence. Natural selection is there and so is design and order, there are no toher choices, but both are clearly allowed
Disregard conclusion at this point and you will see the Design purposal follows all the same methods and passes all the same tests
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
Member (Idle past 113 days)
Posts: 3571
Joined: 11-23-2007


Message 94 of 107 (589761)
11-04-2010 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by subbie
11-04-2010 10:30 AM


Re: Suggestion
Would you please stop posting off topic material in my thread.
If you can't tell that this is off topic, perhaps you should stop posting in this thread entirely.
Sorry I did not see this before I finished up Larnis response. As you wish

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