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Author Topic:   Do the religious want scientific enquiry to end?
jar
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Message 74 of 111 (573955)
08-13-2010 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by archaeologist
08-13-2010 5:51 AM


on honesty.
archaeologist writes:
people are free to investigate what God did but they are not free to call God a liar, say He is wrong, or declare that their alternatives are correct over the Biblical passages.
Why?
Why should we not teach children the facts?
archaeologist writes:
we also want secular scientists to stop lying to children and their students. there is no such thing as evolution, in any form, thus they need to stop teaching it. Jesus said that it is better for a man to hang a millstone around his neck and drown himself than it would be to turn the faith of a child against God. secular scientists do the latter every day.
Yet more untruths.
It is NOT the scientists that turn folk away from Christianity but rather folk like you. When you continue to assert things that simply do not stand up to examination then as children learn the truth, the facts, they will naturally come to doubt everything you say.
When you are so obviously wrong about facts that can be checked, things like Evolution or your assertion that there was some Biblical Flood, how can you expect children to believe anything you say about those things that cannot be easily checked, things like the god you market?
archaeologist writes:
there never will be such a discovery. there never has been either. if science disgarees with the bible then the science is wrong
And that is why you fail and the kids soon learn that what you say cannot be trusted.

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jar
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Message 77 of 111 (574412)
08-15-2010 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by archaeologist
08-15-2010 5:31 PM


Re: on honesty.
archaeologist writes:
jar writes:
When you are so obviously wrong about facts that can be checked, things like Evolution or your assertion that there was some Biblical Flood, how can you expect children to believe anything you say about those things that cannot be easily checked, things like the god you market?
this is one thing you, people like you, evolutionists and atheists et al, just do not understand. God has made faith as one of the rules. not everything will be easily checked and one has to take God's word for it.
if you cannot take God's word for creation, the flood etc., thenhow can you take His word for salvation and heaven? neither of those can be easily checked nor proven scientifically. you just want the benefits from God nothing else. Jesus said 'pick up your cross and follow me', it won't be easy and notice He did not say 'and follow science...'
I cannot know that I am saved or even that there is an afterlife. I can believe that. I cannot look to anything as a reward, all I can do is try to live my life and try to live up to what I have been charged to do, to really take up my cross and live the life.
But I can check the data and evidence for a Biblical Flood or the accuracy of the different creation myths. When I do that I can with a very high degree of confidence state that there was never a Biblical Flood., that the creation myths are mutually exclusive.
Since the evidence is overwhelming that some things like the creation myths or the Biblical Flood Myths are not factual, I need to ask why they were included.
But we cannot stop being honest, we must continue to look at the real record that GOD wrote, the world we live in. We cannot and must not stop scientific inquiry even when it shows that the stories in the Bible are not factual or historic.

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jar
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Message 80 of 111 (574892)
08-18-2010 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by archaeologist
08-18-2010 5:06 AM


Yet more untruths from you.
archaelogist writes:
actually it never has mostly the so-called disproval comes from an argument of silence and as i wrote earlier or in another thread and never got a real sincere response was: what kind of evidence are you looking for and where would you expect to find it?
I told you what evidence would be needed and even where to find it, yet you continue to claim that no one answered you.
If either of the Biblical Flood stores were true then we MUST see the genetic evidence of a bottleneck event happening at the same very recent time in EVERY living human, land animal and bird.
While finding such evidence would not prove there was a flood (the event could have been any catastrophe), not finding that signature does prove that no such event happened.
tet more untruths.
archaeologist writes:
tht is just totally wrong. there has never been a discovery scientifically or archaeologically that has disproven the Bible. such cries have all been manipulations, assumptions, speculations and conjecture concerning the so-called evidence discovered and has nothing to do with the discovery at all.
See above. That the Biblical Flood ever happened has been refuted.

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jar
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Message 90 of 111 (575273)
08-19-2010 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by archaeologist
08-19-2010 4:23 AM


archaeologist writes:
again provide the specific discovery that shows that Noah's flood did not happen. saying there must be this, or there must be that is NOT evidence nor a discovery but wishful thinking. you cannot prove a bottleneck for civilization started with 8 people and there is NO evidence prior to that time that would produce the graph you want.
Utter nonsense yet again.
Having a breeding population of only eight samples IS by definition a bottle neck and that was not even the worst case. The breeding population of the unclean kind was only four critters.
If the Bible story was true then those bottlenecks MUST exist and MUST show up in the genes of EVERY human, every flying critter and every land animal.
The marker is NOT there. The Biblical Flood never happened.
Those that claim there was a Biblical Flood are just fantasizing.

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jar
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Message 93 of 111 (575300)
08-19-2010 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by archaeologist
08-19-2010 5:47 AM


Once again your very words prove that the Biblical Flood never happened.
Look at the part YOU highlighted from that quote. The words you highlighted support the fact that there was never a Biblical flood.
You quoted:
quote:
if the population is very large and random mating is taking place, allele frequencies remain unchanged (or in equilibrium) over time unless some other factors intervene.
I have to ask. Have you ever read the Bible myths about the Flood?
IF they were true, then the populations were not very large. Even using the most forgiving, most favorable of the two mutually exclusive accounts all that would be left were eight humans, fourteen of each clean kind or bird and four of each unclean kind.
It really is that simple.
IF the Biblical Flood was true then the populations would not be large and random matings would not be happening.
The Biblical Flood has been refuted.
Edited by jar, : left a few words out, fast fingers

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jar
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Message 98 of 111 (576726)
08-25-2010 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by archaeologist
08-25-2010 5:52 AM


the flood happen regardless of the assumptions made by secular scientists and their disciples.
You have made that claim many times but never answered the examples that refute your assertion.
Do you believe that the Bible in Chapters Genesis 6&7 actually describe what the flood was like?

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jar
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Message 108 of 111 (577853)
08-30-2010 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by archaeologist
08-30-2010 4:46 AM


archaeologist writes:
how about doing it right and realize that scientific research is hampered and hindered by so many mitigating factors. you cannot disprove a global flood and there are several reasons for this:
That is a great example of just what this topic is about.
Of course the Biblical Flood myths can be shown to be false, and have been shown to be false and you have been given the evidence that shows that the Biblical Flood myths are false.
The problem is that you seem to discount science when it shows the Bible Interpretation you worship is false.
You seem to want to discount science when it conflicts with the God you created and worship.
Fortunately reality trumps the fantasy you create.

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