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Author Topic:   The Big Bang and the visible past.
Larni
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Message 22 of 89 (582558)
09-22-2010 4:21 AM
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09-22-2010 3:49 AM


Re: Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
We also look at models of the Universe where there is a concept of "before" the Big Bang.
Could you go into a bit more detail about before the BB?

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Larni
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Message 27 of 89 (582583)
09-22-2010 8:34 AM
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09-22-2010 6:47 AM


Re: Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
Colliding Branes and that kind of thing?

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Larni
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Message 28 of 89 (582584)
09-22-2010 8:40 AM
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09-22-2010 7:52 AM


Re: Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
science you reject/miss that the eternal intelligent designer model of the universe should also be considered a possible/viable/debatable science model.
Apart from a 'just so' story for why there is anything at all, what models could derive from 'goddidit'?
The whole point is to understand 'how'. Even if a god did poof it out of nothing scientists would still want to know how (I know I would).
But either way you get infinite regression: where did the creator come from? Which in turn regressess to 'it created it's self', and if something can create itself somthing does not need a creator.
And last time I looked this was a science thread. Superstitions from the bronze age are hardly appropriate.
Edited by Larni, : punctuation

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Message 31 of 89 (582610)
09-22-2010 10:43 AM
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09-22-2010 10:33 AM


Re: Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
Too much information, slow down

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Larni
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Message 37 of 89 (582632)
09-22-2010 12:29 PM
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09-22-2010 11:25 AM


Re: Is that attitude intelligent, not to go further than the big bang?
there is supportive evidence for both arguments.
No, there is only supporting evidence for one 'side'.
Nothing eternal, by definition, ever created itself.
I'm good with that: no god!
The concept of higher intelligent entities in the universe is from all cultures for all of human history relative to all levels of human cultural intelligence, including todays ID scientists.
And is still a perfect example of primitive superstition sticking it's face and arse into a perfectly good scientific discussion.

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