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Larni
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Message 91 of 129 (624661)
07-19-2011 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by IamJoseph
07-19-2011 5:15 AM


Understand there are only two options as viable and credible for the emergence of the universe. One of them is Creationism. I know of no aternatives to it - do you?

So, is there no alternative to Creationism? Even though you just said there were two viable and credible options for the emergence of the universe?

Someone suggested cosmology - which is an ubsurd premise, being part of Creationism.

Cosmology is not part of Creationism.

Proof: Cosmology is science and creationism is bronze age tribal myth.


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Message 92 of 129 (624664)
07-19-2011 9:20 AM
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07-19-2011 9:14 AM


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So, is there no alternative to Creationism? Even though you just said there were two viable and credible options for the emergence of the universe?

The two are: a Creator based creation, or not. In a finite realm, the former wins from a scientific POV.

quote:

Someone suggested cosmology - which is an ubsurd premise, being part of Creationism.

Cosmology is not part of Creationism.

Proof: Cosmology is science and creationism is bronze age tribal myth.


The first recording of what was later coined cosmology, is in Genesis. So is the first recording of a finite universe and the first categorising of life form groupings. Very bronze-like. Now show us another bronzy writings of similar myth?


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IamJoseph
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Message 93 of 129 (624665)
07-19-2011 9:26 AM


I imagine in a British school, the verse in Genesis which describes the clothing of the first humans as a cute Disney like story. In reality though, Genesis is saying humans are unique as the only life form requiring clothing.

Thread carefully - Genesis is a deceptively simple writ not one for the uniniated. European Christianity and Islam have mis-represented a document they at no time followed or studied, taking it on board 2000 years later, retaining only whatever they can align with their own beliefs. It is why the world is in shock when the true meanings are put before them. Britain would have to first discard all that was said of the Hebrew bible by Christianity - otherwise they will be studying myths.


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Larni
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Message 94 of 129 (624696)
07-19-2011 12:59 PM
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07-19-2011 9:20 AM


The two are: a Creator based creation, or not. In a finite realm, the former wins from a scientific POV.

Once again, you provide no evidence to support you point! Again and again you pontificate about what you believe to be real without any evidencery support.

As for saying that Genesis is the first recording of what would be cosmology I take it you are completely unaware of the Summarian creation myth that predates Genisis by a looooong time.

Happy to educate you in theology an area you are (along with science) obviously deficient in.

Let me guess, you did either humanities or engineering at university.


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Panda
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Message 95 of 129 (624737)
07-19-2011 5:46 PM
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07-19-2011 9:26 AM


IamJoseph writes:

Genesis is saying humans are unique as the only life form requiring clothing.


Do not take your clothes off or YOU WILL DIE!!

If god had meant us to be naked, then we would have been born naked!!


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Message 96 of 129 (624762)
07-19-2011 8:42 PM
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07-19-2011 9:20 AM


The two are: a Creator based creation, or not. In a finite realm, the former wins from a scientific POV.

Then please show us a peer reviewed scientific paper where this POV was used as part of a research program.


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Message 97 of 129 (624799)
07-20-2011 4:16 AM
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07-19-2011 8:42 PM


1. Creationism [genesis]. A universe with a universe maker.

2. Everything else.


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IamJoseph
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Message 98 of 129 (624800)
07-20-2011 4:20 AM
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07-19-2011 5:46 PM


quote:
IamJoseph writes:
Genesis is saying humans are unique as the only life form requiring clothing.

Do not take your clothes off or YOU WILL DIE!!
If god had meant us to be naked, then we would have been born naked!!


As anyone can see, there is nothing superfluous in this writing. Its not a Walt Disney story - we are told with manifest evidence one life forms is unique - it alone requires clothing - told with the ushering in of the life forms.


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Message 99 of 129 (624804)
07-20-2011 5:09 AM
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07-20-2011 4:20 AM


As Panda has pointed out humans do not require clothing. Certainly it is not generally socially acceptable to run around naked in many modern societies and the use of clothing has allowed humans to expand the environments they can comfortably adapt to. But to suggest that humans have to wear clothes moves your writing from superfluous to simply ridiculous.

TTFN,

WK


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Panda
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Message 100 of 129 (624805)
07-20-2011 5:33 AM
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07-20-2011 4:20 AM


IamJoseph writes:

Its not a Walt Disney story - we are told with manifest evidence one life forms is unique - it alone requires clothing - told with the ushering in of the life forms.


So, you continue to make bare assertions with no evidence to back them up.

People do not require clothing.
Many people have spent their whole (long) lives naked.
I could spend my whole life living in Antarctica completely naked.

You just make crap up as you go along, don't you.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 101 of 129 (624807)
07-20-2011 5:42 AM
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07-20-2011 5:33 AM


Actually, as it turns out the manifest facts are on Genesis' side, people DO require clothing; they ARE the only life forms in that category; that IS a non-superfluous declaration in Genesis.

And here I was thinking in a scientific thread the posters will display adequate thinking rather than engaging in auto-dispute mode. Bite the bullet!


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Panda
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Message 102 of 129 (624809)
07-20-2011 5:46 AM
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07-20-2011 5:42 AM


IamJoseph writes:

as it turns out the manifest facts are on Genesis' side, people DO require clothing


Prove it.
You made the original claim - prove it.

I have lived in Iceland without clothing. Explain how.
People have lived in Africa without clothing. Explain how.
Take off your clothes and explain why you do not die.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Message 103 of 129 (624839)
07-20-2011 9:22 AM
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07-20-2011 5:42 AM


Homo-sapiens require three things and three things only: air, water and nourishment; everything else is luxury. This same statement can be made for all warm blooded mammals. I don't suppose you are going to provide evidence (the bible doesn't count one whit, we are on the science side) for your absurd claim?


"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Panda
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Message 104 of 129 (624840)
07-20-2011 9:32 AM
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07-20-2011 9:22 AM


hooah212002 writes:

Homo-sapiens require three things and three things only: air, water and nourishment; everything else is luxury.


I think the saying goes thus:

3 minutes without air.
3 days without water.
3 weeks without food.
3 months without underwear.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


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Taq
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Message 105 of 129 (625359)
07-22-2011 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by IamJoseph
07-20-2011 4:16 AM


1. Creationism [genesis]. A universe with a universe maker.
2. Everything else.

You claimed that creationism was scientific, so I will make my request once again.

Please show us a peer reviewed scientific paper where this POV was used as part of a research program.


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