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Author Topic:   Which animals would populate the earth if the ark was real?
Phat
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Message 117 of 991 (655306)
03-09-2012 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by foreveryoung
03-07-2012 11:54 AM


Cutting To The Chase
foreveryoung writes:
The problem here is that what I will give you as evidence, you will reject as non evidence. No matter what I say, you will say that I have given no evidence. You won't accept my evidence because you define evidence differently that I do. It is a pointless endeavor unless we are defining the word the same way.
There is a second problem here. When you post your evidence, you post it in a way that says "this evidence can only support my conclusion and nothing else". That is a non starter right there. You and most others on this site and in the majority of the scientific community are blind to the fact that you have a strong bias when interpreting the evidence.
You have a philosophical commitment that you are blind to. Everyone has philosophical commitments, it is an inevitable part of being human. The trick is to recognize that you have one in order to more rationally analyze the world around you.
Lets cut to the chase, shall we?
All of us have a "philosophical commitments" yet only some of us believe that God is real, alive, interactive and creative. We of course feel that this is an important revelation and that for some reason there will always be scoffers as to our beliefs and conclusions concerning creation and evolution(creation through time, in effect) of all biological/geological/cosmological reality.
As has been pointed out, the scientific method deals with the content of reality rather than the source. Beliefs deal more with God as source.
We must ask ourselves if any conclusions that dont conform to our bias nor our belief in any way threaten the acceptance of such belief. Once we overcome this fear, we can relax in knowing that its ok to have questions and not answers.
Theodoric writes:
Science does not deal in truths. Science deals with evidence and facts. Truths are for religion and beliefs.
And this is ok with me. I dont feel that my belief is threatened. Perhaps some Biblical Creationists are puzzled as to why scientists don't let belief interfere with their work.
I suppose one question for believers in God and in Jesus Christ to ask themselves is whether a literal Bible and a factual ark story are important for our faith?
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Phat
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Message 706 of 991 (707365)
09-26-2013 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 705 by jar
09-26-2013 10:38 AM


My Conclusion: Flood Story was a Parable
jar,speaking to mindspawn writes:
If the ark were real then what we MUST see today is a population of animals that all show the signature of a bottleneck event that happened 4500 years ago.
It really is that simply. None of your fantasies, beliefs, imaginations, misrepresentation, nonsense and absolute bullshit are relevant or of any worth.
What we see refutes the possibility of any of the ark stories being true.
This is a solid argument. It leads me to conclude that the Great Flood story was designed as a parable...and is not literal.
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