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nwr
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Message 46 of 141 (262248)
11-22-2005 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by crashfrog
11-21-2005 9:06 PM


Adaptive mutations?
The argument (in the article) seems a little dubious to me. The author seemed to expect that mutations would only be found when there is a selective advantage. But I would expect mutations to be found as long as there isn't a significant selective disadvantage. And I think that is similar to your point (your most logical explanation).

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Message 58 of 141 (263226)
11-26-2005 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by cavediver
11-26-2005 7:40 AM


Re: it from bit
cavediver writes:
If God wants to guide evolution by manipulating random mutations, I assume He is at liberty so to do. He does not require "weird" mechanisms of quantum mechanics to hide behind.
That would be some variant of theistic evolution. You might have misunderstood randman, for he is no theistic evolutionist.
What randman seems to claim, is that new creatures can just poof into existence without any evolution. See, for example, Message 114 and other messages in that thread. Presumably randman wants his proposed ID mechanism to be able to account for this alleged poofing.

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Message 117 of 141 (265745)
12-05-2005 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by randman
12-04-2005 10:32 PM


Re: Regarding Only QM-ID thought I think
Hmm...I would think it would be helpful if we understood how and if any entanglement occurs in such a dense environment. I would think that would be a place to look for possible major effects, but then again, maybe not.
It is easy to find major entanglement effects.
A physicist discovers some small scale entanglement effects. He publishes a research paper. That publishing involves the cutting down of trees and this has effects on the local climate near the forest. Lots of people are also involved, from editors to peer reviewers to printers to research journal readers.
That sure seems like a major entanglement effect to me.
I suggest that these kinds of effects are the only major effects you are likely to find.

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Message 127 of 141 (266060)
12-06-2005 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by randman
12-06-2005 11:12 AM


Re: information
ID is adding information into a system by a directed, intelligent force.
I think you are serving up word salad, lightly tossed. But, in the off chance that it was supposed to mean something, I'll give you an opportunity to explain whatever that was.
  1. What is the meaning of "information" that you are using here?
  2. What information is being added?
  3. To which system is this information being added?
  4. What is this intelligent force, and what physical evidence is there for such an intelligent force?
  5. In what way is this intelligent force directed, and what is the physical evidence for such direction?

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